Will College Become Obsolete?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jane_Bellamont, Apr 27, 2016.

  1. I also hope so.

    I see so many students in this area study in fields they don't want to be in, and eventually end up doing something else.

    What a huge waste of time and money no?
     
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  2. In third world countries, education is free.
     
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  3. What will eventually happen is that a new employment infrastructure will emerge that accepts people with degrees that they obtained through self-learning methods, such as online courses.

    I guess the main reason people get a student loan to go study, is so that they can support themselves and pay for their food and their rent .. so they can exclusively focus on their study without having their time and energy drained by a full-time job.

    Most people I know who work full-time just come home, watch tv, get drunk/stoned, go to sleep.. then wake up again to go to work. I used to be like that, too. There is no room for creativity, learning, experimentation, deep thinking, innovation, etc. It gets the best of you.

    This is precisely why I believe that a Basic Income will be superior to publicly funded college tuition, or whatever they call it. Plus - it doesn't make sense to me that there's people who are unemployed, while others are over-worked.
     
  4. Everything is moving online, including colleges, atleast the smart ones will prepare.
     
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  5. I think it will always be important for STEM and the medical field. Although even those are over-saturated. Things like liberal arts and humanities are worthless. Collage is also a social thing, online is great but networking is one of the most important aspects.
     
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  6. I don't think college will become obsolete, but the education industry will become more competitive. Considering "Youtube University" and Certificates.

    I believe it's going to depend on the major, for example a topic like Law an education institution will still be needed for positions as Judges, DIstrict Attorneys, and defense attorney due to the complexity of Law, which relies heavily on judicial interpretations on making/defending a case. Obviously you could defend yourself, but I personally wouldn't hire a defense lawyer that watched a few episodes of law and order on youtube to defend me.

    Youtube University is the concept of learning things from youtube or generally the internet, normally it applies to vocational careers, particular trade/craft, limited subjects, but their is no proof for the employer.

    In stark contrast a topic such as Computer Science field is extremely diverse, many low level entry jobs, do not require a degree, but instead opts for certificates within the field such as: Linux+, CCNA, CISSP, to name a few. Many organizations for upper management IT director requires both a Degree and a Certificate. Some organizations require simply a certificate or a degree. Programmers on the other hand simply has to display their knowledge to think in code and display their ability to speak in code (written format). I know a few people making just below 100,000 a year with no degree and their title is software engineer go figure. Penetration testers on the other hand are often reform criminals. Many organizations even have clauses that will omit prison time for hacking crimes to work in their organization. I personally know one that didn't have a high school diploma, recently got his GED.

    As humans we don't need an education institutions to learn, for example I never learn how to roll a blunt in class. I never attended Puff Puff Pass 101. However educational institutions grants degrees similar to certificates, a piece of paper which simply provides a receipt of proof that you are qualified for this particular topic.

    I beleive the internet is an excellent resource, but an accredited paper is needed to verify your credentials if seeking employment from strangers. I don't know you, what are your qualifications.

     
  7. #8 cdG, Apr 27, 2016
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    I can only speak for the science field, and from that perspective I am a firm believer that college is absolutely necessary for a good foundation in scientific knowledge.

    The reason is this: yes, you can find just about anything about anything in science on the internet. And yes, in principle you can learn it all from the internet. The problem though is that learning science (much like math) is a progressive processes. For example, you can't learn general relativity without understanding the problems that it solves. In order to understand why general relativity exists, you must first learn Newtonian physics and understand what things like force, acceleration, gravity, momentum, mass, inertia, vectors, friction, integrals, etc are. Then you can use that knowledge and apply it to electricity and magnetism, from which you can then learn about electromagnetic radiation. Then you understand what general relativity is and how to apply it. You must also learn basic chemistry and the physics of atoms (and even differential equations) before understanding the foundations of quantum theory. At this point you understand the strengths and weakenesses of each theory, and why current science research is headed where it is, that is with the theory of everything. Etc. You must learn to walk before you run. Just because you watched a video on how to train for a marathon doesn't make you a runner.

    In the internet age, everyone wants to jump right into the sexy sciences (i.e. quantum theory, general relativity, theory of everything) without understanding how a simple hydrogen atom works, or how electricity and magnetism works, or how force and acceleration and velocity and speed are different, or even what the laws of thermodynamics are and why they exist (how many times do people post of ideas in which they can create energy from nothing lol??). In formal classroom, you are forced to apply one's understanding of the topics in take-home exercises and lab exercises. The only way to truly learn science is to be an active participant. You WILL NEVER get that with an YouTube education.

    It's like sex....an 18 year old who's never been with another person but only watched internet porn their whole life thinks they're an expert in the sack...only to learn how unimpressed their first partner is with their internet porn education (chicks hate foreplay, they like it super hard and fast, LOVE ass to mouth and can't wait to have their face cummed on amiright?). It's the same with education.

    Basically, the internet provides a passive education. Colleges/schools force one to follow a more structured education with active participation, application, regular assessment and mentors ready to help whenever something doesn't make sense.

    Does every person need a college education to lead a successful life? No.

    But will higher education become obsolete? Never.
     
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  8. Wait.. so you mean to tell me girls dont like gettig fucked in the ass and cummed on their face?

    Haha no but in all seriousness you dont learn shit from online schooling. Cheating is so easy and working at your own pace is extremely ineffective if youre like me(procrastinate every damn day). Im a computer science major and I believe in-school college will always be around. I need to take 5 total math classes and 2 physics, that wouldnt be possible online. At least imo

    But yeah fuck it. Dont go to college guys its totally a waste of money. I mean who needs college when mcdonalds is always hiring?
     
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  9. I know right, damn cosmologists.
     
  10. Truth. I mean college isn't so bad especially it think it's smarter to start off at a community college first. I finish my course next month and then I have the option to attend dental school but not sure yet.


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  11. 1st world countries also have free education. Iceland, germany, and similar Scandinavian countries offer free universities, because it favors the country to do so, and it works for them very well.
     
  12. I suppose it depends on how we define college.

    It is very difficult to imagine the future in this era. All it takes is one thing to change the entire equation.

    The internet and smartphones are the most profound examples in my lifetime, I am sure more are on the brink.

    As far as colleges being primary or necessary for hugher education, I don't see that lasting much longer.
     
  13. And you get what you pay for.
     
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  14. Stupid analogy. I have met more people who have useless degrees and are ignorant to boot. If you threw out all the fucked up useless degrees that kids go for if for no other reason than to NOT have to join the real world then we can talk. And this comes from 30 years of watching sludge brained children in a big 10 campus town.
    I see it time and time again someone with a useless degree that cant wipe their own ass.
    For fun I get to see some of these very same idiots face reality and take entry level jobs like starbucks serving other similarly aged people who went into other fields that require skills in the real world. I love it when a art history major or even some kind of business degree paper pushing degree ends up being the night shift manager at micky D's and hates the guy who makes a good living fixing/installing the climate control or plumbing.
    Its a farce when people try to compare time and money spent in a fruitless chase to a actual degree in a field like engineering, science, medicine compared to some basket weaving 101.
    Yet the journalists, another useless degree which is more like indoctrination, bust a nut trying to point out how voters without degrees ,,,,, oh Im tired of pointing out the guy with no clothes which many with degrees wont get.
    In general your point is OK but don't pick on porn. Me and the wife act like that and always have. I guess you haven't.
     
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  15. Of course college will become obsolete, at least in its current model.

    Much of college already is obsolete in terms of finding gainful employment. Yes, princess likes to dance and weave baskets, but that dance degree came with a $50K price tag in terms of student loans. Mathematically speaking, when one compares what princess will be making VS what she owes, her college degree is worse than obsolete. It bought her 4 years of fun at the cost of a decade-long financial burden.

    The biggest factor that will erase school as we know it, is technology. If we consider the rate of change currently going on in the world of tech, it seems to come down to simple math again. What can Billy learn in 6 years of college (masters), that will hold up to 6 years of technological advancement? Since tech is increasing faster and faster and faster, it seems 6 years is becoming an increasingly unrealistic luxury period for the edification of a human mind. Much faster ways of imparting knowledge will be created and depended on.

    The smart phone and Google Glass are good examples of rudimentary steps into a technological direction that equips the individual with unheard of amounts of data and easy access thereto. I can already yell at my phone across the room with a question and it yells the answer back at me. What will that interaction and knowledge transfer look like once our personal devices become further developed and much, much more personal?

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  16. Don't think you addressed anything in my post, except to defend the implication that your wife likes ass to mouth. But ok thanks.
     
  17. I get the feeling you like it too.
     
  18. I think it will become unavailable for the masses due to cost. Trade and community education centers will probably be the best you can do. Its getting more and more expensive every year.

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