Why dont we go to war in Mexico?

Discussion in 'Pandora's Box' started by bob barker, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. #1 bob barker, Jan 15, 2014
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     Since the US always needs a war going on why dont we go to war against the Cartels in Mexico.  I think that would be a war that greatly affects the US in a positive way. They are now officially repoerted moving large amounts of shabu AKA meth in the Philippines. The Mexican Cartels own the world. I hope I dont have a hit out on me now :eek:
    The recent Christmas Day police raid on a drug storage facility in a ranch in Lipa, Batangas yielded not only P420 million pesos ($10 million) worth of methamphetamine hydrochloride (shabu) drugs but also the discovery of a major new player in the Philippine drug scene.
    "The Mexicans are here. This is the first time that we have confirmed it," Philippine National Police (PNP) Senior Superintendent Bartolome Tobias announced in a press briefing held the day following the raid along with news of the filing of criminal drug charges against individuals “accordingly affiliated” with the Mexican Sinaloa drug cartel. [​IMG]Among those charged were two Mexican citizens ("Jaime" and "Joey") and Jorge Gomez Torres, a Filipino American with a US passport, who rented the ranch from Leviste and who returned to the US the week before the raid.
    The Sinaloa drug cartel is considered the largest and most powerful drug trafficking organization in the West. It has been the major player in the bloody drug war in Mexico that has claimed the lives of 77,000 Mexicans since 2006.
    It is not yet known how the entry of the Mexican drug cartel will impact the Philippine drug market that has long been dominated by the Chinese drug cartels. The competition could be bloody or friendly. PNP Chief Gen. Alan Purisima believes the Sinaloa cartel is getting help from certain Chinese drug traffickers to establish operations in the Philippines.
    This cooperation may result from the fact that most of the drugs used by the Mexican drug cartels come from China. Just recently, US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) agents intercepted a shipment of 3 tons of methylamine chloride at the Los Angeles International Airport on a transit flight from China to Mexico. The drugs were set to be manufactured into methamphetamine in Mexico and sold on the streets of the US.
    As the Stars and Stripes newspaper of the US military noted, “an explosion in such chemical ingredients from China has made it clear that the U.S. meth problem is no longer just about local police and homemade drug labs in the heartland. A global manufacturing and trafficking network now spans the Pacific, connecting Chinese chemical factories, bloody drug cartels in Mexico and users in the United States, according to defense and drug enforcement officials.”
    Not only drug users in the US, but also in the Philippines. According to Sen. Vicente Sotto, former chair of the Dangerous Drugs Board, there are approximately 1.6 million drug dependents in the Philippines, half of whom use shabu. Others estimate that the percentage of shabu users is closer to 90%.
    [​IMG]“If 800,000 drug users sniff a gram of shabu a week at P1,800 a gram for one year, “the amount will run into the billions,” he said. By Sotto's formula, shabu sales in the Philippines would annually reach more than P77.76 billion (almost $2 billion).
    British filmmaker Martin Butler, who traveled all over the Philippines interviewing shabu addicts in 2007, believes the actual figure is closer to seven million Filipino shabu addicts.
    PNP Chief Gen. Purisima said his agency is working with the DEA to track down and arrest Torres, the Filipino-American conduit of the Mexican Sinaloa drug cartel, and their cohorts in the Philippines. He will not need to travel far as he can meet with the DEA agents at the US Embassy in Manila. I know the DEA has agents at the US Embassy in Manila because I met them in 2003.
    In my last column, LINK, I described my personal encounter with Sen. Panfilo Lacson at the TV talk show, Strictly Politics, on January 21, 2003. The morning after the show, I received a call from a man who identified himself as an official at the US Embassy in Manila who wanted to meet with me.
    Perhaps the US Embassy was just concerned about my safety given Lacson's reputation for making his enemies disappear, I thought. So I arrived promptly at the gate of the US Embassy in Manila at the appointed hour and the officer was there to escort me to his office. Inside the heavily fortified back office of the US Embassy, I was led to a room, where another officer was watching the tail end of a videotape of my run in with Lacson the night before.
    “You didn't go to law school in the Philippines, did you?” he asked as I nodded and he explained that he guessed so because no one locally would talk to Sen. Lacson as I did and still expect to be breathing. I laughed, nervously.
    The two gentlemen then introduced themselves as DEA agents assigned to the US Embassy in Manila. Their interest was not about my welfare but in securing my information about Lacson's assets in the US.
    They explained that they had been investigating Lacson for some time and that they had accumulated information about Lacson's connections with the drug cartels in Hong Kong and in China.
    They said that the Chinese smuggle the ethyl phenyl acetate drugs into the Philippines where they are then used in the making of the methamphetamine drug popularly known as shabu.
    “When he was PNP Chief, Lacson was the main protector of the Chinese drug cartels,” one DEA officer said.
    [​IMG]The officers shared their fear that if Lacson was to ever be elected president of the Philippines, he would turn the country into a “narco state”, like Colombia. This would mean Filipino tourists can expect to be regularly searched at US airports for being potential drug mules.
    This explained to me why Lacson did not use his pork barrel allotment as other senators did during his 12 years as senator. He simply did not need it.
    I recalled then that in June of 2002, three Philippine Senate committees had conducted extensive hearings on Lacson's involvement in drug trafficking. Among the witnesses who testified was Mary “Rosebud” Ong, an undercover PNP officer who described how the PNP under Gen. Lacson had become a “revolving door” where drugs seized one day were back in the streets the following day.
    Rosebud accused Lacson of working with and for the “14K”, the largest and most violent of the Hong Kong-based triad societies engaged in large-scale drug trafficking. Founded in 1945 by 14 members of the Kuomintang who then fled to Hong Kong following the victory of the Communists in 1949, the 14K triad has grown and expanded into mainland China; where its members regularly cross from HK to avoid police security.
    The three senate committees had drafted a joint 100 page report (Senate Committee Report No. 66) whose release Sen. Lacson had succeeded in blocking. “Sen. Panfilo Lacson on Tuesday succeeded in blocking the adoption of Senate Committee Report No. 66 which recommended that he be indicted for the capital offense of kidnapping, drug trafficking, smuggling and summary executions.” (“Lacson Blocks Senate Inquiry Report About Him” Philippine Daily Inquirer, August 6, 2003).
    In successfully blocking the release of the damaging senate report, Lacson was aided by Sen. Loren Legarda, then Senate majority floor leader. Philippine Daily Inquirer Columnist Belinda Olivares-Cunanan explained her likely motive. “Current talk is that Legarda has not acted on it (Report 66) in order to protect Lacson, who has invited her to be his running mate” (“Let's have that report,” June 25, 2003).
    [​IMG]During this same time period, Canadian journalist Terry Gould arrived in the Philippines in search of Steven Wong, a Chinese mobster who was arrested in Vancouver, Canada in 1992 for masterminding a heroin conspiracy. While out on bail awaiting trial where he faced a possible 20 year sentence, Wong convinced a Vancouver judge to give him his passport. After he left Vancouver, Wong's parents claimed that he had been killed in an accident in the Philippines and they had an “official death certificate” from the Philippines to prove it.
    The Canadian authorities never believed that Wong actually died and Gould made it his personal mission to search for Wong, an investigation which he chronicled in a book, “Paper Fan: The Hunt for Triad Gangster Steven Wong”, (Thunder's Mouth Press, New York, 2004).
    His search for Wong brought Gould to the Philippines where he met with Sen. Lacson, a meeting which is described in several chapters of his book. The website of the book, LINK, carries this description:
    “At one critical point, the former chief of the Philippine National Police, Senator Panfilo "Ping" Lacson, was working closely with Gould, and seemed to be the key to finally nabbing Wong. A failed revolution backed by Lacson interrupted the hunt and once again Wong slipped away, or perhaps Lacson was only going through the motions of catching Wong. According to a Philippine Senate investigation Gould recounts in Paper Fan, Lacson may not have been the crusader[​IMG] against organized crime and corruption he claimed to be, but up to his eyeballs with the 14K.”
    Lacson's purported connection “up to his eyeballs with the 14K” may explain how Lacson was able to successfully elude capture by Interpol while hiding out in Hong Kong from December 2009 until March 2011 after an arrest warrant was issued for him for the murder of Salvador “Bubby” Dacer and Emmanuel Corbito. His involvement with the 14K triad in Hong Kong is certainly not included in the fictionalized Robin Padilla fantasy film “10,000 Hours”.
    The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) has identified the Philippines as one of the world's leading methamphetamine producers, and a major exporter of the illegal party drug to the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia (Asian Pacific Post, January 10, 2010).
    The UNODC noted in its 314 page report that the Philippines ranked only behind China and the United States, which have considerably larger populations, in the number of meth seizures within its borders. The report noted that while many countries manufactured shabu, China, Burma and the Philippines accounted for most of the production over the past decade.
    “Easy to make, cheap to buy, and highly addictive, the Philippines is now dealing with its own meth scourge as shabu---the Philippine name for crystal meth---reportedly the new drug of choice of over 90 per cent of Filipino drug users, from college dorms to rural farms.,” the UNODC report added.
    In his film about shabu addiction in the Philippines, filmmaker Martin Butler interviewed a number of addicts like “Marybeth Basura” who was sentenced to life imprisonment for selling $70 of shabu. [​IMG]Around her cell were other female inmates also serving life sentences for selling shabu. She said her 11-year old son was selling scrap metal to raise money to bail her out before he was told that it's too late.
    While there are thousands of poor Filipinos like Marybeth serving life sentences for their shabu addiction, there are likely no Chinese drug lords in Philippine prisons. On the day of the execution of three Filipino drug mules by the Chinese government on March 30, 2011, Philippine radio talk show host Ramon Tulfo asked what happens to Chinese nationals arrested in the Philippines for drug trafficking.
    One anonymous caller, who identified himself as an employee of the Philippine Court of Appeals, answered the question. As Tulfo recounted the following day in his On Target column in the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the caller said: "The Chinese would be acquitted by the appellate court. In fact, many Chinese serving time at the National Penitentiary have been released after they were acquitted by the Court of Appeals.”
    In other words, as Tulfo explained, “if you get convicted by the lower court for drug pushing or trafficking in this country, don't despair because the appellate court will set you free for the right price." Unfortunately, Marybeth's son cannot sell enough scrap metal to pay “the right price”.
    Before Pres. Aquino was sworn in as president on July 1, 2010, John “Boboy” Shinn III, author of “Shabu in America” and LA Zamboanga Times editor, expressed his “fervent hope that the Philippine government-under the administration of President Noynoy Aquino-will take the country's illegal drug problem just as seriously as the problems of insurgency and poverty he will face at the start of his six-year term… because it threatens to destroy not only the lives of our nation's future, but also the very moral fiber of our society as a nation.” (LINK to Mr. Shinn's article)
    I am sorry, Mr. Shinn, that Pres. Aquino did not heed your advice to take the country's illegal drug problem as seriously as any of our other top national problems.
    Mr. President, I urge you to please secure a copy of Senate Report # 66 and read it carefully and then reconsider your appointment of Panfilo Lacson as Rehab Czar which puts him in a position to be a viable candidate for president in 2016. Surely you must love the Philippines enough that you would not want to turn it into a narco state. Published 01/11/2014

  2. Mexico should legalize marijuana, and grow it to be sold in the United States, where it should also be legal.   This would create an industry that would replace the other illegal drug businesses.   All of the other drugs should be decriminalized also, which would make a huge dent in underworld profits and motive.  
  3. Even if that happened, it wouldn't put one dent in any of their business.

    It's obvious you didn't read the whole thing. In no way or form is tgis about Marijuana. People just don't put down the pipe one day just because marijuana could and would be legal. It just doesn't work that way. Hard to explain, because of guidelines.
  4. someone's been watching too much tv
  5. #5 garrison68, Jan 15, 2014
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    I am not talking about people's drug problems, my advice is to legalize all drugs, and remove the profit opportunities for criminals.  The legalization of weed would be the best place to start this process, especially since Mexico could make a great deal of money from it - as a tourist attraction and as a product they can export.  The hard drugs must be decriminalized ASAP, as well. 
  6. Yes... legalize nasty unmentionables, because Counties can't control the trafficking circle.

  7. I dont have cable. I read the Philippians newspaper.
  8. We dont go to war with mexico because the cartels pay the c.i.a. And dea and without mexico, there would be no war on drugs, ie, no overinflated police budget. Ill let you do your own research on the subject. The dots will connect if you look hard enough. Hell, didnt you know a couple years ago that the atf and dea let guns go into mexico? They do a big bust once in a while to make headlines, appease the drug addicts in congress and keep control of the ever growing stupid populace.
  9. Legalizing everything would not destroy the cartels. Mexico legalized small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin and other drugs back in 2009.
  10. I'm familiar with straw purchase's going south and them being monitored by the ATF. So would you vote yes to a war in Mexico?
  11. #11 OOTROLLOO, Jan 15, 2014
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    Decriminalization is not legalization, so how can you state that first sentence as though it is a fact?
  12. theres no need for another war. 
  13. We can't talk about unmentionables. Yet you made a thread solely on the subject.

    We smokes the Ganja' No Spinnin here.
  14. I vote yes to limiting congress terms, no more career politicians.

    A national lottery to draw names from a volunteer list o serve in congress, like a jury duty summons.

    I vote yes on dismantling the current military completely and going bak to pre world war 1 when we fought only 17 or so conflicts in 200 years instead of the 200 weve fought for corporations in the last 80 years.

    I vote yes to removing all powers from feds, giving states rights back, not infringing upon amendments, like the first, second, fourth. Basically the bill of rights.

    I vote yes to a full review of the favors our corrupt supremem court openly admits to, and prison time/death by hanging for tyrants.

    Ill vote yes for drug testing congress and passing laws limiting annual pay for ceos, business leaders, and leaders of school institutions.

    Ill vote yes on legalizing all drugs, setting up treatment centers, removing the stigma associated with mental health treatment, letting non violent offenders out, etc.

    I vote yes to our prisons in america following the treatment instituted in russian prisons, where gangs and individuals are powerless while incarcerated.

    But a war in mexico, i vote no. Its a pountless waste of time and money, just like it is here. Nobody should dictate what others do with their own bodies, but especially law enforcement officers and drug using, lying, traitor dictators and congressmen/women.
  15. He made the thread because he wanted to hear what people thought about a war with Mexico, the whole article about the unmentionables just provides strength for his argument. Its not soley on unmentionables.
    I think that If we were to do anything it would be to appeal to the UN for multi-national support, as the idea of another war for the tax payers to finance would most likely not go over well. Although, we do have a lot of stupid racists in this country who Im sure would love to kill Mexicans.
  16. You think that prohibition EVER works?  THAT is "ignorant".  
  17. go fix some shopping carts
    Your right :)
  18. My bad for not wanting Spunned out Tweaks tunning a muck, Junkies and flop houses take over neighborhoods.

    I'm very ignorant
  19. Let me get this straight.
    You came onto a drug forum asking
    if we the drug users want to
    expand the drug war that's
    killing people the world over, destroying
    families everywhere and incarcerating
    people just like us?
    Are you serious?
  20. They are in bed together

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