Why can't atheists and theists just use logic?

Like, I don't care if you believe in God, flying unicorns, or anything else, I don't care if you don't believe in any type of god/supreme being or unicorns or love at first sight or anything. I care that you use logic and are open minded.

You cannot logically assert that there is a god. You also cannot logically assert that there is no god. There is absolutely no proof or even substantiating evidence for either assertion. We simply do no know. It is therefore fallacious and wrong to make either statement. It is downright egregious and depraved to try to force other people or persuade other people to take on either assertion as fact. It doesn't matter which one you believe, since only one can be true and most people are inclined to choose, you just need to stop being so closed minded and let other people believe what they want as well. It doesn't matter how disturbing you think their beliefs are, believing in either statement is disturbing because you can't logically believe in either!

This doesn't just apply to the debate between whether there's a god or not. Every instance where you don't have evidence yet believe in something, you should just completely refrain from trying to get other people to join your side. It is illogical and therefore stupid no matter how much your emotions compel you. We need to move away from these nonsense illogical debates about whether there's a god or not and just accept that no one knows despite belief. We need to accept that some subjects in science are just theory and stop treating them as fact when people disagree about something. We need to stop bickering and start getting along again. Humanity needs to be able to work together and unite regardless of petty differences, but as we stand, there are so many petty differences to take difference on that there's no agreeing completely with anyone. We HAVE to be able to look past that logically and move forward regardless of what we think about in our spare time.

It's just illogical to even bicker about because neither side is right, so there's no winning or getting anywhere. It's just a popularity game among theories that everyone plays like a bunch of morons. It's time to move forward and deal with reality so we can move forward regardless of what people can't help but believe in.

 

Politics and corporate marketing have done the same thing, though. It's ridiculous to call out one area of humanity that's deviated from logic just because it's on the side you disagree with while ignoring the rest. I mean, the government is all about limits and prevents us from moving forward, but rather than aspiring to logic and allowing everyone to move forward, you're fallaciously attacking one instance just because you're too closed minded to the real problem and why we aren't allowing each other to move forward.

 

There is no demand for negative proof. It's about refraining from making conclusions we can't make logically. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence; burden of proof doesn't substantiate a claim just because proof isn't provided and that is where atheists go wrong and fall into fallacy.

 

That "demand" in the other thread was a figure of speech to point out their fallacy followed by basically the same explanation offered by this thread. There is no demand for negative proof.

Also, the bold is bullshit. You have no place talking to me that way and need to leave my thread and add me back onto your ignore list if you can't behave maturely. You are barely respectable, based on past demonstrations of you ability to reason logically/reliance on fallacies in arguments, so I really don't care if you take me seriously. I'm not your cat.

 

Unhinged for pointing out your immature behavior, like trolling this thread? Like I said, I'm not your cat, buddy.

 

I just think it's sad and wrong that people can't move past petty difference for the sake of mutual edification and bettering the world around us. It's ridiculous and people need to stop. We need to use less force, less harsh words, less offence, less accusations and do more seeking and reaching out to each other. Being closed minded and argumentative at everything rather than being open minded and accepting is illogical because of the additional problems it creates.

Edit: Oh and just to be clear, what I'm pointing out is the difference between saying "I do believe in God" or "I don't believe in God" and making an actually claim about the existence of God. Both "God exists" and "God does not exist" are fallacious, unsubstantiated claims while stating your belief in something is what's example. It's the difference between sharing an opinion and trying to moronically disregard an opposing opinion or force the other person to adopt your opinion.

Sorry for the triple post.

 

And if atheists used logic, they wouldn't make fallacious statements like "there is no god" rather than just dismissing the questions since there's no evidence and we therefore just don't know. You need to understand that both sides deviate from logic. The only logically valid stance on the subject is agnosticism because there is no evidence to draw either positive or negative conclusion from. I am an agnostic theist and I use logic. I simply believe there is probably some kind of higher power, something more. If not a creator, then at least something more to do with consciousness. I don't state that there is, because we don't know, I just don't believe we've figured everything out and that this is all there is. I believe that logic must be used to understand it, though. I believe that if there is a god or creator or something that they created logic for a reason. It's simply the correct way to think.

I use logic in my theistic beliefs just as I use logic in my scientific beliefs. I believe in compassionate living because it logically results in a better life. I believe that people shouldn't sin or do wrong because it logically results in negative consequences. When I go to define sin, I look at the results of the action, the reasons for it, and don't blindly judge. If God exists, then I believe He is objective and would judge things logically. In fact, God to me is closer to an objective reality than any type of crazy guy with a beard blowing shit up. I also don't illogically dismiss the theological interpretations of other theists who blind themselves to one school of thought like some organized religion. Just because the Roman Catholics are mostly a bunch of hypocrites all the way up to the Pope, it doesn't mean that they don't have any valuable philosophy to learn from. It basically just means they're bad at following it, hence being hypocrites. lol Just because Hinduism is different than the Abrahamic religions doesn't mean it doesn't also have some sensible philosophy to learn from.

I mean, religious people blindly discount all of the teachings of other religions while failing to follow their own because not everything is agreeable and then atheists discount the whole of religion, but if you actually look at religion, it's where a majority of philosophy has occurred since before science really took hold. If you approach it from an unbiased perspective and look for what the author was trying to teach, much like you would look for the moral in a Little Bear story even though bears can't talk, then there are some profound, reasonable, and IMHO a few correct lessons on how to live a good life. I mean, I feel like what too many atheists do is similar to taking the whole of American jurisprudence, including all of the ancient legal principles we derived from English law, and dismissing all of it, every last theory, simply because it's labelled American and the prohibition of marijuana is fallacious/our leaders are morons, etc. It's illogical and fallacious to do such a thing in itself and that's the type of stuff I'm frustrated with. We need to stop closing ourselves off to each other just because we disagree on one thing. We need to stop dismissing the teachings of entire schools of thought just because we disagree with one aspect. We need to start focusing on what we agree on, striving for mutual edification, and actually start doing some good in the world rather than bickering like a bunch of drunken morons in a bar.