the first brother to brother convo on this

Discussion in 'General' started by scoobydooby67, May 9, 2006.

  1. me and my brother had a debate that just ended, unfortunately we werent finished, so maybe i can post a follow up later. this is about drug use, mainly. i hope you sit down, maybe pop an adderall and read this. im proud.


    Big Bobby W 67 (2:55:29 AM): i had the greatest conversation with mom and dad
    Big Bobby W 67 (2:55:34 AM): recently
    BigfootJHW (2:55:43 AM): really, what was it about
    Big Bobby W 67 (2:56:07 AM): me and mom were just talking, and i just asked her what she "knew" about pot since she brought it up
    Big Bobby W 67 (2:56:26 AM): it lasted a half hour till dad got home and it graduated to all drugs
    BigfootJHW (2:56:43 AM): what did they say
    BigfootJHW (2:56:49 AM): she say, i guess
    Big Bobby W 67 (2:57:30 AM): biiiig back and forth b/w me and dad, but i totally changed theyre perspectives and dad taught me some stuff as well. she admitted she didnt know anything other than the decade propoganda
    Big Bobby W 67 (2:57:40 AM): so we walked through it together
    Big Bobby W 67 (2:58:07 AM): it was very engrossing for two hours
    BigfootJHW (2:58:18 AM): you didn't find it weird?
    Big Bobby W 67 (2:58:40 AM): no, i wanted to know what they thought
    Big Bobby W 67 (2:58:47 AM): and i corrected them on most points
    BigfootJHW (2:59:22 AM): what did they say at the end
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:00:00 AM): "acid making your brain bleed" "xtc makes holes in your brain" that type of stuff....they agreed that it should be personal choice, and they agreed with my model of legalization
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:00:14 AM): really cool
    BigfootJHW (3:00:41 AM): well that's pretty cool
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:00:45 AM): si
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:00:55 AM): you know mexico legalized everything?
    BigfootJHW (3:01:12 AM): yeah i heard that on the news
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:01:15 AM): thats gonna be so disastrous, people have no idea
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:01:25 AM): its gonna be Needle Park times a thousand
    BigfootJHW (3:01:58 AM): probably
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:02:06 AM): our govt is trying to interfere, and i kinda agree with it
    BigfootJHW (3:02:33 AM): why, if that's what they choose
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:02:46 AM): because dude, its not the right way:
    BigfootJHW (3:03:08 AM): what's the right way
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:03:30 AM): instead of regulating, the govt is giving up...
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:04:00 AM): these newly legalized drugs are gonna attract more tourism
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:04:22 AM): and these newly legalized drugs still need a source, which means organized crime is gonna skyrocket
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:04:58 AM): when this comepletely blows up, its gonna eradicate any chances for the US to consider legalization
    BigfootJHW (3:04:59 AM): yeah, it's a problem when it's only legal to have it, someway you still have to get it
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:05:00 AM): which sucks
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:06:18 AM): theyll just point and say, look what legalization did to mexico
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:06:31 AM): really depressing
    BigfootJHW (3:06:59 AM): not as depressing as people not eating
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:07:04 AM): i thought we were evolving
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:07:05 AM): meh
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:07:14 AM): im american, i dont care
    BigfootJHW (3:07:28 AM): precisely
    BigfootJHW (3:07:32 AM): depressing
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:08:16 AM): ignorance is bliss, remember
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:08:21 AM): abuh
    BigfootJHW (3:08:31 AM): abuh?
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:09:02 AM): the sound chris griffin made when told he couldnt see his dad anymore
    BigfootJHW (3:09:13 AM): hahahahaha
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:09:39 AM): but our country will be safer as soon as the drug czar is someone who actually has knowledge about....drugs
    BigfootJHW (3:11:25 AM): yeah i guess, i think the islam thing is a little bit more important thought
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:12:16 AM): really? why dont we get our own country organized and stabile before we keep pouring money out
    BigfootJHW (3:13:04 AM): i actually agree, but that means not messing with mexico as well
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:13:22 AM): this is not an issue to be swept aside, drug users who still contribute to our society do not vote because they are demonized by our government
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:13:31 AM): ok then
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:13:58 AM): you can not have unity when personal choice is obstructed
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:14:19 AM): we need to eradicate the number one cause of organized crime
    BigfootJHW (3:14:19 AM): gay people do not vote because they are demonized by our government
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:14:23 AM): no no
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:14:33 AM): thats a only social taboo now, they finally got their rights
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:14:36 AM): besides
    BigfootJHW (3:14:50 AM): they have no rights in north carolina
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:15:00 AM): every arguement for homosexual marriage can be turned around for usage of drugs
    BigfootJHW (3:15:21 AM): what do you mean
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:15:53 AM): "its personal choice" "it doesnt intrude on others' rights"
    BigfootJHW (3:17:02 AM): sure, so either one is fine with me
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:17:14 AM): PLUS, if the government truly cares about the safety of its citizens
    BigfootJHW (3:17:20 AM): gotta pee
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:18:15 AM): then it would regulate the distribution of drugs similarly to alcohol, so that the drug consumer would not be harmed by unpredictable street drugs
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:20:55 AM): yea there would still be a black market for those under 18/21, but that is inevitable...there is that black market today for alcohol and nicotine which each kill more people than crack, meth, heroin combined everyday.
    BigfootJHW (3:21:46 AM): back from peeing -- which is all cool and everything, but when large numbers of people in america can't even afford seeing a doctor or a dentist, there are a few more important issues to worry about
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:22:23 AM): Big pharmeceuticals are on a teeter totter towards recession. they could tax the drugs that they distribute.
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:22:44 AM): ok ill give you that, but give me a scenario that could change so quickly....im not saying its the foremost problem
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:23:06 AM): im saying its an easily corrected problem that sucks money out of our system
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:23:37 AM): its a thorn in our side that could easily be plucked to ensure focus on more widespread problems
    BigfootJHW (3:24:00 AM): that's true, but that doesn't change the fact it would take tons of work to persuade the majority of people to change their minds about it
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:24:42 AM): as opposed to the tons of work it would take to raise the general economy and standard of living?
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:25:52 AM): im saying if open minds were present, this could be changed in a day. there arent many social problems in our country that perspective alone prohibits progress
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:26:11 AM): (a day is an exaggeration)
    BigfootJHW (3:26:28 AM): yes, as opposed to that, the majority of people in america are afraid of drugs, and they're the ones who vote - if open minds were present, a million problems could be solved, if open minds were present, we wouldn't have the president we have now
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:27:06 AM): how many "problems" today are perpetuated solely through mindset?
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:27:16 AM): as opposed to resources etc.
    BigfootJHW (3:27:32 AM): i don't understand
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:27:39 AM): like you said
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:28:06 AM): its the fear and inherent taboo of drugs that prevent this from being in a forum where it could make change
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:28:28 AM): politicians wont promote it, their campaign would flounder before it started
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:28:45 AM): its a bargaining chip to campaign FOR the war on drugs
    BigfootJHW (3:29:13 AM): it's the fear of most social problems today that prevent them from being discussed - it's not just drugs, it's a multitude of things
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:30:40 AM): ah but what other problems today have such widespread consequences in every aspect of society? im only talking mindset, other problems have complications like the resources to deal with them, the organization to arrange them....we have the resources to deal with the war on drugs
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:30:47 AM): its only mindset that prohibits it
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:32:03 AM): if youre taking a test, you finish the easiest ones first and save your valuable time for the tough ones. this is the analogy.
    BigfootJHW (3:32:20 AM): i agree -- my point is, you won't get people to change their mindset, the people who agree with you point of view already vote for like-minded people, and those who would oppose it are the baby-boomers, who have the voting base
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:33:26 AM): but is that really so? 1 in twenty americans ADMIT that they regularly use marijuana (i hate statistics by the way)
    BigfootJHW (3:33:53 AM): life isn't a test -- the whole "save the hardest problems don't work in life", drugs don't have the capacity to erase humanity from the planet - nuclear proliferation does
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:35:13 AM): ok but in order to appropriate more resources towards solving those problems, why not eradicate a money burner?
    BigfootJHW (3:35:50 AM): dude, i'm not arguing against you, i'm just saying good luck in trying to change someone's mind
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:36:56 AM): i know, but only through debates like this will people change their mind, more information needs to be put out there, the decade changing anti drug campaigns need to quit
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:37:28 AM): the govt is feeding fire to the problem theyre trying to eliminate
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:37:48 AM): here's the kicker:
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:39:10 AM): you say we need to focus more on other things, but there is a War on Drugs, its a campaign against personal freedom. since there is already effort and resources going towards this campaign, it isnt uncalled for to propose drastic change…especially when the status quo is failing miserable
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:39:12 AM): y*
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:39:45 AM): its not working, lets try something else
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:40:08 AM): human evolution didnt stop at the thumbs
    BigfootJHW (3:40:41 AM): again, i agree, i'm just playing devil's advocate and saying what people will say back -- no it didn't, b/c pandas have thumbs too
    BigfootJHW (3:41:02 AM): and so do koalas actually, one of their six digits
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:41:20 AM): ha touche.... but i can shoot down every arguement there is, trust me dad threw a lot at me
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:41:47 AM): its blind demonization, and it needs to cease
    BigfootJHW (3:42:12 AM): hahaha he probably did, but the thing is, logic alone doesn't always carry the day
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:42:42 AM): but proof does, see you take the logic, and then you apply it to today's society
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:43:06 AM): its not my fault that people are ignorant, but i am willing to enlighten them
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:44:28 AM): i despise the hypochristian complex that pervades our society and i plan to change it one person at a time
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:44:34 AM): thats my flag
    BigfootJHW (3:44:44 AM): no, my point is proof, logic, truth don't always carry the day -- you can argue till you're blue in the face and all somebody might say to you is, "you make sense, but my minister/mother/father say it's bad so i don't agree with you
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:45:15 AM): we're back at the authority problem
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:45:40 AM): if pro-legalization advocates want change, they go to where those people just pointed
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:45:45 AM): and they argue again
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:45:52 AM): and slowly climb the ladder
    BigfootJHW (3:46:47 AM): which would be great and all, but at the end of the day, if people can't afford to eat and pay for their health, they're not going to be worried about getting messed up
    BigfootJHW (3:47:05 AM): they won't have the money to pay for these new legal drugs
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:47:38 AM): but see its not about the "temporary irreality", to some of these people its a religion upon itself
    BigfootJHW (3:47:59 AM): what
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:48:10 AM): what what?
    BigfootJHW (3:48:28 AM): what is temporary irreality
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:48:42 AM): getting fucked up
    BigfootJHW (3:48:54 AM): oh
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:49:31 AM): there is not a single reason why this shouldnt happen
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:49:53 AM): and people who advocate marijuana alone are idiots
    BigfootJHW (3:50:26 AM): reason doesn't enter into ti
    BigfootJHW (3:50:27 AM): it
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:50:34 AM): ha
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:50:50 AM): then replace reason with argument
    BigfootJHW (3:51:44 AM): intelligent argument doesn't always carry the day, if it did we wouldn't be at war in iraq right now
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:52:03 AM): this is unrelated and ridiculous
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:52:43 AM): there were documented weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, how do we know? we looked at the friggin receipt
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:53:29 AM): seriously though, yes they had the weapons, but this is unrelated and its partisan
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:53:47 AM): this isnt analogous to the WOD at all
    BigfootJHW (3:54:47 AM): i'm not trying to start a different arugement, i'm just saying most people don't argue anymore, they just say, i see your point but..... -- like i said, i didn't want to start a different argument, but many other countries just as bad as iraq have those same weapons and more, not to mention much harsher internal measures i.e. saudi arabia
    BigfootJHW (3:54:50 AM): ok no more
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:55:20 AM): and no, it may not be intelligent arguement that wins, but the incessant pounding of these values that needs to occur in order to make change
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:55:39 AM): everyone's got their drug
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:55:41 AM): everyone
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:56:33 AM): whether its religion, sex, caffiene, a regimented schedule, physical activity, psylocibin mushrooms
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:56:36 AM): etc
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:57:08 AM): why allow some and not others, doesnt outlawing nature seem a bit...unnatural?
    BigfootJHW (3:57:20 AM): how is a regimented schedule a drug
    BigfootJHW (3:57:27 AM): it's not something you take into your body
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:57:30 AM): man thats the most common
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:57:41 AM): people are so secure without having to think
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:57:54 AM): they get up go to work go home, eat sleep fuck repeat
    BigfootJHW (3:57:57 AM): but that's not a drug
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:58:03 AM): yes it is!
    BigfootJHW (3:58:07 AM): that's a verb
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:58:39 AM): yes it is, it is a drug that makes the person feel comfortable just as much as religion is a drug
    BigfootJHW (3:59:14 AM): it's an alteration of your mood, but it's not a physical substance that can be regulated, measured and sold
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:59:15 AM): it makes a person feel something that they otherwise wouldnt if it werent there
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:59:24 AM): its still a drug
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:59:44 AM): the tangibility doesnt matter
    Big Bobby W 67 (3:59:52 AM): we're talking freedom of choice
    BigfootJHW (4:00:48 AM): that's ridiculous, so everyone time i put on my headphones i'm taking a drug -- the tangibility does matter, details are what make lawyers
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:01:39 AM): lawyers ruined this country...90% of them give the good 10% a bad name, anyway....yes what i am sayin is exactly that
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:01:55 AM): someone want to trip on acid, you want to put in a cd
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:02:09 AM): but instead you only can legally listen to pop music
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:02:18 AM): jazz rocknroll etc are illegal
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:02:23 AM): only pop music is allowed
    BigfootJHW (4:02:29 AM): ?
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:02:47 AM): just follow me here down hypothetical lane
    BigfootJHW (4:02:52 AM): oh
    BigfootJHW (4:02:55 AM): i see what you're saying
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:02:56 AM): say only pop music is allowed
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:03:20 AM): (symbolizing alcohol, nicotene, caffiene <-- one of the worst mentally)
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:03:32 AM): but youre still gonna listen to what music makes you happy man
    BigfootJHW (4:04:12 AM): yeah it's pretty dumb to have some regulated and some not
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:04:39 AM): so why not stop criminalizing personal freedom and let them do what they will, the law should step in only when a person's choice intrudes upon another's freedom
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:04:46 AM): thats it
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:04:48 AM): thats done
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:05:03 AM): wrap it up, what arguement to that is there?
    BigfootJHW (4:05:13 AM): there isn't
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:05:37 AM): exactly and thats how every debate ive had ended, even though i didnt mean to
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:05:49 AM): so we gotta keep talking
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:06:06 AM): those who are dedicated need to keep arguing
    BigfootJHW (4:06:09 AM): that's what i'm trying to say, arguments are not the end of the line, people accept things on faith without thinking about them
    BigfootJHW (4:06:55 AM): i've tried changing people's minds, but many times they just say, you have good points and i can't argue you, i just don't think you're right
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:07:12 AM): but when you get down to it and show them that they are humiliating themselves as well as impeding progress...you can change them
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:07:51 AM):you have good points and i can't argue you, i just don't think you're right”...if thats the truth, humanity is fucked
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:08:04 AM): if someone as intelligent as you cant understand this, we're done
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:08:15 AM): evolution stops
    BigfootJHW (4:08:22 AM): dude, i totally understand
    BigfootJHW (4:08:28 AM): i'm just trying to say that other people won't
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:08:41 AM): oh ok
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:09:00 AM): still, when i think about it...i try not to realize that, otherwise why would I keep trying?
    BigfootJHW (4:09:05 AM): that's been my whole point, that other people won't want to hear it b/c of the emotions involved
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:09:19 AM): BUT GAYS HAD THEIR DAY
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:09:30 AM): INTERRACIAL MARRIAGES HAD THEYRE DAY
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:09:33 AM): its not impossible
    BigfootJHW (4:09:44 AM): not it's not
    BigfootJHW (4:09:53 AM): gays still haven't had their day, btw
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:09:54 AM): its gonna be tough reversing 100 years of govt bullshit propagnda
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:10:06 AM): well they got the foot in the door
    hBigfootJHW (4:10:11 AM): yes, yes they do
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:10:31 AM): is that a closet door?
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:10:35 AM): HA
    BigfootJHW (4:11:01 AM): libertarians think they same way, they very much want to legalize drugs, and there are many more libertarians in congress now
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:11:14 AM): libertarians are idiots for the most part
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:11:26 AM): i will generalize that and not take it back
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:11:28 AM): idiots
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:11:48 AM): because those same people are nazis when it comes to gun control
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:12:02 AM): but yea its a step
    BigfootJHW (4:12:03 AM): which is true, but they are possible allies in that they are working to legalize drugs
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:12:13 AM): i acknowledge
    BigfootJHW (4:12:39 AM): not true liberatarians, hunter s thompson was a registered libertarian, and he owned lots of guns
    BigfootJHW (4:12:49 AM): sadly
    BigfootJHW (4:13:38 AM): sadly b/c of how he died
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:13:49 AM): he was also a writer, which means he only wrote about our state of affairs, never did a damn thing to change them....you just reinforce my idiot statement
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:13:55 AM): how did he die
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:14:17 AM): i just wish marijuana-alone advocates would cease to be though
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:14:21 AM): theyre all idiots
    BigfootJHW (4:16:48 AM): wrong, you don't know him, he was awesome -- he ran for sherrif of denver on the "freak ticket" (that was the real name), his only platform being drug legalization
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:17:09 AM): i retract my statement being on no information
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:17:17 AM): that was ignorant of me
    BigfootJHW (4:17:25 AM): he told jerry garcia numerous times "if you damn hippies would just vote you would solve alot of your problems"
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:17:42 AM): ah but what do they have to vote for
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:17:56 AM): everywhere they turn its something they dont agree with
    BigfootJHW (4:18:14 AM): the guy he was running against had a crew cut, so hunter thompson shaved his head and called him "my long-haired oppenent"
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:19:02 AM): pro pot people want to push their ideals, but coke and heroin are quite the medical miracles. LSD is an ergot fungus, not only will it rid you of your migraine it will also cleanse your third eye. MDMA (xtc) is doing some very pleasing things with depression
    BigfootJHW (4:19:17 AM): that was his point, if you don't like what you see, get involved and change it, don't just sit back and bitch, that's why he ran
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:19:23 AM): even thought i dont agree with treatments for depression
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:19:36 AM): yea but thats not the course
    BigfootJHW (4:19:46 AM): mdma is also doing some amazing things with degenerating dopamine receptors
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:20:11 AM): and pills that are already prescribed dont?
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:20:49 AM): i mean hell, at least your having fun with MDMA....but i dont agree with treatments for depression
    BigfootJHW (4:20:54 AM): it's a leading cause of parkinson's disease in animal studies, no, not to the degree, that's why they're legalized, see we have to learn all the brain chemistry of this stuff in pharmacology
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:21:03 AM): dude dont give me animals
    BigfootJHW (4:21:25 AM): i have to go to bed, my other half is mad at me
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:21:29 AM): please dont give me animals, i know that youre the doctor
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:21:31 AM): ok
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:21:41 AM): night
    BigfootJHW (4:21:43 AM): she has to be at work by 5 30
    Big Bobby W 67 (4:21:54 AM): take it easy
    BigfootJHW (4:21:56 AM): later dood
     
  2. interesting...
     
  3. Interesting indeed...
     
  4. I only read half way, but +rep for a very good perspective and arguement.
     
  5. too long didnt read but way to go
     
  6. there were small sections i skimmed thru, but i read atleast 90% of it. You both make a lot of very good points and it was a very nice read. Always nice to hear parents views are set right.

    possibly part 2? or was that all of it? either way, thanks for the read scoob
     
  7. I stopped after that bit about Mexico.

    Yeah, personal use is decrimed.

    But every other part of the bill is going to make it harder to get, sell, and smuggle drugs. It gives powers to police that they didn't have (like local police being able to investigate drug dealers) and overall is definatly *not* going to lead to a climate of tourism. Well, I shouldn't say *definatly*, as I suppose there will always be someone willing to sell to tourists. But there's definatly going to be a crackdown on dealing after this bill passes thanks to all the new powers, so I'm not to concerned with anything getting out of control down there.
     
  8. i'm on adderall and couldn't sit to read it all. i gotta get some sleep i'm going crazy
     
  9. Dude that reminded of me arguing with myself haha that was intense... good shit man..
     


  10. cool i wasnt expecting anyone really to read it all, and if one single point you dont agree with turns you off, id rather you just ignore my posts altogether.

    edit: i guess this is just special to me cuz me and my brother arent very close i.e. 7 years difference b/w age
     
  11. Whoh dude, calm down.

    I just said I stopped reading at that point, that's all. I was just making a comment on the one part I read.
     
  12. ill try to get an updated conversation, i doubt it will incite as much fervor as this one did. i just noticed the timing of the conversation, we were firing up.
     
  13. Great read.
     
  14. actually that bill in mexico the pres down there veto'ed due to pressure from our government so that bill fell through.
     
  15. thank god.
     

  16. Recently (yesterday I believe), the Mexican Congress said they'd override the presidents veto. Apparently if they have 2/3rds majority, they can pass it w/o the president's approval.

    http://cannabisnews.com/news/21/thread21836.shtml

     


  17. well fuck
     
  18. You talked all the way till 4:20 :p

    then a couple mins later said bye haha
     
  19. haha i know, i had my steamroller on cue ;)
     
  20. WOw that was amazing, had so much good info, arguements, and input!!!
     

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