Wizball..................ya got it FF ocean forest is the all around best soil for growing in dirt. I firmly believe that they have "da bomb' for soil grow. No nutes for at least 2 months cause the stuff they got in it is heavy duty grow shit. todderfran.... overrated? could be but I have experienced excellent results, just as you have had with sunshine mix# 4. for me its FF, So there you have it either Sunshine mix #4 or FF take your choice as each will trip your trigger. Herb
Def not trying to diss the Fox Farm if that's how I sounded. I used it for years. It is good. I just gave the soil less a go one time, and have never looked back.