Re-vegging a male?

Im trying to re veg a male soon by adding N to the soil so bat guano tea or some other fertilizer. Remove all flowers and keep all leaves and change the light cycle to 24/0 until i see results.

 

Logically, I would think it's possible....I guess ya don't really hear about it is because most people don't re-veg males very often....but i would think it would happen at the same rate/same way.....as a female.....?

 

The genetics would start to degrade, done to many time's the pollen would become useless. The same as monster cropping a female to many time's her DNA will break down bringing in lower yeilds and potency ect.

 

That's bullshit. Genetics don't degrade. Pollen is pollen and it is just as genetically viable wether from a fresh male or reveged male.

Genetics don't degrade as a plant grows old as far as seed production goes.

 

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You've been reading too many forum posts and b believing the bullshit in them. A clone may degrade in potency but the seeds from that clone will be just as viable as the original genetics. DNA doesn't wane with age. A plants potency wanes with age. A sickly male and an old used up clone will still produce the same genetic offspring as a fresh clone and a fresh male.

Sorry to burst your forum bubble.

 

This is the problem with forums. More opinions than experience.

 

This is one person's view on the topic......I scrolled past it and thought it was "interesting enough to repost it here.....its from thcfarmer.com and the member is Ne Obliviscaris This was his post....

The science behind the loss of vigor over time has to do with mutations accruing without a chance for them to be selected out (this is not coming from my knowledge of cannabis specificaly, but rather my knowledge of genetics and evolution). All DNA aquires mutations over time, due to various environmental factors,free radicals, toxins etc. When reproduction is asexual ie. cloning, these mutations get automatically passed down across the generations. When you have sexual reproduction then the mutation only has a 50% chance of being passed down, and then isnt necesarily expressed if its recessive, etc. (incidently, this is one of the primary explanations given for the evolution of sexual reproduction in general). So, all clone lines should deteriorate over time, as the various mutations occur. Just to be clear, the vast majority of these mutations wont have any effect on phenotype, and a very, very tiny minority might be beneficial (the rouges and sporting Jsan is referring to), but on average you are going to start introducing negative traits over time. This is simply the nature of asexual reproduction, and most *naturally* asexually reproducing organisms have developed strategies to deal with the issue. So I think its basically irrefutable that, given enough time, your clone lines will deteriorate, the question is the timing.

It makes a lot of sense to me that this would depend a lot upon the strain, different genotypes might be differentially sensitive to environmental stress and so have different base rates of mutation.

Having said that, I have zero intuition about what a raealistic rate is, a couple generations, 10, 100? As several people have pointed out there are strains that have only existed as cuts for many years, so, at least some must do pretty well over years/decades.

Thanks for everyones input, theres a lot of knowledge on this site.

 

I agree.....the more I learn and get experience on growing.....I do see a few opinions that I PERSONALLY think are totally wrong.....but the people take that info and use it...and probably....with the advice given....ends up killin the plants....im sure someone has thought that of something I HAVE posted....but I honestly try to post what I know works....from actually doing.....and seeing it

 

Trust me I've made at leasta million seeds over my 26 years of growing. I've used clones that are so exhausted they won't yield shit. And males tossed in the dirt and not watered for weeks. I'll even go take a photo of a male I tossed in the dirt a couple days ago. The pollen from this son of a bitch will still be perfectly genetically viable next year. Even if I wait 6 months to harvest it. And it's been hanging out root bound in a 2 gallon it all season. Prematurely bloomed.

 

Of course they do! And you seem like your feelings are hurt.
Dont be such a wanker mate. How's your bubble. Lol...

 

You are completly wrong about monster cropping.

 

@killset
But taking a clone from a clone from a clone, DNA does & will degrade. Why haven't we got the 35th clone of Dolly the Sheep, DNA mutate's and degrade's and we get retarded sheep.

So untill i see any quantifiable data & not silly little rant's @Shasta_Lake_California , I'll keep to my hypothesis.

But the OP's question was about "re-vegging" a male plant for pollen. How many time's can you re'veg an "annual" plant before it starts to biologically break down? The same applies with a female being re-vegged to many times, this was my point. DNA breaks down with age, that's how we get diseases through mutations of our DNA. @Shasta_Lake_California

 

Of course it's possible no dispute over that, my point if done to many time's degradation of DNA "will" occur.

 

Here is one, StarGate TV show and the "Asgards" what happened to them & basic biology 101. Not that hard to understand really.

 

Look at your statement above mate, what dose it say and you put up a disagree. Wtf oh my god.. Get a book!