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Quick Tinc on the man no edibles work on

Discussion in 'Weed Edibles' started by SexualKush, Oct 20, 2012.

  1. #1 SexualKush, Oct 20, 2012
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    EDIT: THC flash point is approx 300 f!!! I got lucky because I only had it decarbing for a minute but I have a very sedative product I am trying to make a thc rich product asap will post results sorry for any loss!!!

    Edit 2: I found decarbing in tinfoil pouch at 200 f until the bud is frangible (crumbles cookie-like) to work incredibly, I am really happy with the second attempt. I also put the bud and everclear seperately in freezer, then added and shook before starting my double boiler...i also used a mason jar cap as a stand to hold up my jar to minimize direct contact to heat source.

    After purchasing a glycerin based tincture at a harvest fest/cannabis cup, I decided to focus my efforts on making my own. It turned out mine is only about 100 times stronger than the honey/glycerin i purchased a dropper bottle of for 15 dollars, it tasted good and gave a small body buzz.

    I used everclear (95% grain alcohol) if you swish it around your mouth it provides an instant "whoa" feeling. It burns but the absorption is great. Also, a digital thermometer for food is a must, double boiler is efficient if you can control your temps to a T. It is very important, you will have quality tinc in an hour if you do it correctly. (i've wasted tons of time money and precious herb to edibles)

    The biggest breakthrough i had was decarbing for 2-5 minutes at 325 f. Once i smelled that nuggy goodness, I pulled out my tinfoil pouch to find a nice green moving towards gold, had the smell of the quality edibles and tinctures.

    Here is the link enjoy
    Tincture: Alcohol and Glycerin

    "Jay R. Cavanaugh, Ph.D.
    AAMC, National Director

    Many patients who utilize and benefit from medical cannabis do not wish to smoke due to the perceived health hazards of smoking or for other personal reasons. These patients are in something of a bind. Smoking cannabis delivers the active cannabinoids within seconds. Medicine is absorbed in the lungs and goes directly to the brain and general circulation. The same effect can be achieved with a vaporizer, which is safer than smoking burning vegetable matter. Since the effects of inhaled cannabis are so quick, it is easy for patients to titrate their dose by simply waiting a minute or two in between puffs.

    Oral cannabis, such as our Better Bud Butter, is absorbed in a very different fashion from smoking or inhalation. The GI tract gradually absorbs Cannabinoids over the course of one to two hours. Medicine is processed first by the liver, which converts some cannabinoids such as delta nine to delta 11 version of THC. Orally delivered cannabis requires four to ten times the amount of the smoked version in order to achieve the same effect. Orally delivered cannabis can present a problem in achieving the required or desired dose level in any consistent fashion.

    Tincture is designed to address the problems of rapid medicine delivery and consistent dosing. Most tinctures are made to be used under the tongue or sublingually. English pharmaceutical companies are presently working on a cannabis extract "spray" that can be used under the tongue in a similar fashion. These sprays are not expected to be approved for use in the United States for years and will be very expensive. Absorption by the arterial blood supply under the tongue is completed in seconds. One trick is to not swallow the dose as, if swallowed, absorption will be in the GI tract. Many patients, though, add their tincture to a cup of tea or cranberry juice for easy delivery. When tincture is used in a beverage, absorption will be slower than if absorbed under the tongue. While tincture absorbed in an empty stomach is accomplished in minutes, conversion in the liver remains, as does the difficulty in titrating dose. Usually, a tincture dose is delivered by means of a medicine dropper or a teaspoon. A rule of thumb on dose is that patients receive benefit from 3-4 drops to a couple of full droppers depending upon the potency of the tincture and the patient’s own unique requirements among other factors.

    The methods listed below will detail two major methods of preparing tincture. While the methods are optimized for purity and potency, ultimately these will largely be determined by the purity and potency of the cannabis from which the tincture is made. Another item of note in regard to starting material for tincture is the patient or caregiver selection of strain. A rough rule of thumb is to select Indica dominant strains for cramping and muscle spasticity and Sativa dominant strains for pain relief. The reality, though, is often that the strain is unknown or not well characterized. Trial and error is usually required to acquire the appropriate strain and the proper dose level.

    General Rules:

    Tincture is an extraction of active cannabinoids from plant material. Cannabis contains many chemicals that can either upset the stomach or taste nasty. One of the goals of extraction is to secure the cannabinoids while leaving out as many of the terpenes and chlorophylls as possible. Both heat and light adversely effect cannabinoids and should be avoided or minimized. Tincture should be stored in airtight dark glass containers kept at room temperature or below. Avoid plastic containers. The ethanol in the tincture may solubilize some of the free vinyls in the plastic.
     
  2. #2 SexualKush, Oct 20, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 21, 2012
    Hot Extraction:

    This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.

    Ingredients:
    1/8oz high quality cannabis
    2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof


    Process Summary:

    1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

    2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325F for 4-5 minutes.

    3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

    4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 150F – 165F.

    5. Strain the mixture and store.


    Dosage:
    One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).


    Process details—references and rationalizations:
    1. Chop the cannabis—more surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

    2. Bake the cannabis.

    In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)

    THC vaporizes at about 380F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380F. That is why 325F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

    Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

    3. Use the highest proof alcohol available. In my area this was Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.

    4. Simmer the mixture.
    This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).

    The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173F (78C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.

    Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” wide x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.

    Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 165F (I maintain it between 150F and 165F). You want the alcohol mixture to be just barely moving (not boiling, but showing active convection within the mixture). If the mixture starts to bubble too much, just turn down the water bath.

    You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.

    5. Strain, titrate, and store.
    When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture. Note that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated.

    Now you should test your eyedropper. In my test 34 full droppers equaled one ounce of liquid (this is a little less than one gram of liquid per dropperful as 29g equals 1ounce).

    The liquid should be dark green and smell like cannabis.

    6. Dosage.
    Everybody is probably different. It takes me 1.5 hours to feel the effects of eating cannabis. Similarly this tincture also takes 1.5 hours to take effect.

    I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 droppers did pretty much nothing.

    Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 1.5 hours and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.

    Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.

    This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). And is much more pleasant than smoking (which really is bad for you and your lungs and the reason I've stopped smoking entirely).



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  3. I used 3 grams of green crack and some kief, to about 5 oz of everclear (maybe more I thought i knew the conversions, but it turned out i didnt but it still came out great)

    I made sure the tinc was in the 140-163 f range for slightly longer than the time in the tutorial maybe a few minutes, so in total i was in the double boiler process for maybe triple that time pulling the jar out so it didnt go over my temp range.

    Also, the hood vent fan and ceiling fan really speed this up you need to evap atleast 2/5s of the alc. ( fun fact: the hood vent fan is also a godsend when making iso hash)

    Finally, Everyone who tried my tinc or the" mari-jito bhang dragon" loved it, even my brother who is the biggest chops buster in the world and couldn't admit he loved it until the morning.." i actually ended up getting really baked when i went to home (apt. under me) i passed out and had the best sleep i've had in a really long time"

    peace, love, and kush
    humbly yours,

    sexy kush
     
  4. I am not claiming this as my own, I have my own personal boomshine drink i will post a tutorial soon, but I am simply sharing this recipe and my experience with others. I find this to be shockingly effective for the amount of time it takes. It only takes a small quantity and its something anyone can do, im sure people will debate all the temps and info..but nothing I have tried in the past has worked...I have a high tolerance but i always follow directions exactly.
     
  5. Sso how much did one drop equal from an eight?

    This sounds pretty good, I wanna try it out
     
  6. #7 SexualKush, Oct 21, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 21, 2012
    I can't tell exact doses yet, my project still in its infancy, but I am working on that right now.

    I honestly can't say, everyone reacted different... for me the rediculously tolerant, last night I did maybe about 3 full droppers, then smoked a small j and I started nodding out..so I started fighting sleep, ended up sleeping 3 hours on couch ( fell asleep at 9 missed my friends party) sitting up, until my brother woke me up...I went to bed and had the best deepest 12 hour sleep of my life

    General observations from my guinea pigs: All reported very deep uninterrupted sleep (2 have said they haven't had quality sleep like that since they can even remember). 8/10 noticed immediate spacey-ness within the first minute while letting dissolve in mouth. 10/10 reported an increase in comfortability in their bodies. About 4-5 of the people smoked after including others who didn't want to try the tinc. All the tinc droppers said it increased their smoking high dramatically(Edit: the smoker's who did tinc, already tried the tinc the day I made it)

    I wouldn't be too cautious about taking too much, unless you don't smoke much. A dropper full is a good way to go for the batch I made...I will continue to experiment and I will post any breakthroughs...tincs and edibles are tough if you are an average person and just can't seem to get high from them, you have to do your homework but you also have to understand that temperatures will kill you if you don't monitor them at all times.

    If you do decide to try it let me know how it works out, it is very doable and saves you a fortune...I have never had an 8th last so long...i still prefer smoking but the body blast of the tinc goes like pb and j with a little toke
     

  7. At first I thought you were giving your pet guinea pigs tincture hahaha:hello:
     
  8. I'll definitely try this out
     
  9. I have Dr. Cavanaugh referenced for my method also. I use a full freezer process with no heat. I used this very article you quoted to help perfect my honey and agave nectar elixirs. I'm glad you found him. I met a lot of resistance to this when I first started posting about it but now that my thread has been so successful with so many people having great results, his processes are regaining the respect they deserve here on GC. But times change and new things take prominence until someone brings it back.

    I am in the process of making a straight up kief/dry ice hash alcohol tincture with the freezer and just did my first pre-reduction test and I believe I have a winner. I'll be looking forward to following your results. Check out my tincture thread in my signature and see if it rings a bell. I don't do it exactly his way, but the principles are sound. :smoking:
     
  10. Hey I know I am reviving this old post but instead of putting this in a water bath over a stove, could one place this in a crockpot full of water and a mason jar full of the ingredients?
    Also did you do anything about flavor?
     

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