WOAH!!!! how the friggin, uncle fukkin, b'jesus mary n joseph in hell can they claim that!??!??!?!???!? it was him and his croanies that held loads of supposed alqaida guys without charges without "prisoner of war"status!? America was breaking the geneva convention first... the moment someone broke it against them they suddenly gave all these guys p o w status so they could attempt to take some 'moral high ground'. yeah krazi, i'm really glad theres people like you over there... and that goes for dozens of other blades here too who are smart enough to look beyond the cnn. and people like michael moore, still willing to stand up and speak the truth... carrying on Bill's work as i see it. when i was watching shit like cnn and msnbnsnbnabcnbc (or whatever the fuck its called) i was doing it intentionally to get a grasp of the lies u guys been gettin fed. the dumbing down of the population has had GREAT and CONSIDERABLE widespread effect on the vast majority though. My Sis-inlaw's sister even asked if Britain were freinds of the USA... i was almost speechless.... how anyone could not know who your best ally is supposed to be was astonishing to me. these people arent stupid... just been mislead. and ted... dang. u beat me to the post on that one... i was gonna make this reply sayin just that very same thing. split up iraq to the three nations it once was before some pompas english men came along thinking they knew what was best... ok it worked... for a while... erm... wait a minute.... it worked until US gov got involved.... if my chronology is right on this. that should sort it... and to help keep people happy leave an open boarder as loads of people will have moved about and there will be lots of relatives and friends across in other regions. the only people who might not like that so much are the sunni as saddam treated them the best, gave them the most... being one himself (thats right yeah? please correct me if im wrong).
- forgot to mention that the very existance of this war breaks the geneva convention. in no way am i trying to accept the outragious breaches of human rights perpitrated by sadam tho. ...just feel like i need to re-iterate that every once in a while since i have so much to say against the bush regiem.
Now that some people have pointed it out that saddam has killed his own people (kurds) I'll have to light out the reason why it did happen. US military troops encouraged the kurds to start riotting against saddam and that the US army would help them. So the kurds started an attack and what did the US army do? they left iraq so SAddam killed the kurds. No point..... sorry
This is all I got to say. I picture the war like this: Theres a guy in your backyard with a loaded shotgun, waiting for your moment of weakness. Are you gonna shoot him first? or wait and see if hes going to shoot you.... Well, saddam is the guy in Americas backyard ( in a matter of speaking), and he has the gun (missiles) to blow us all away. So I say kill him before he kills us. Thats all I got to say.
aahahahahaha I'm sorry man but thats just bar-none the worst analogy i have ever heard. Saddam doesn't have the capability to attack us. He doesn't even have a single device capable of hurting the us. C'mon Bush where are the weapons of mass destruction? Oh oh, no, we just need more time, let the inspectors do their jobs, right? Oh...wait, wasn't that what the entire world was saying about Iraq before this pre-emptive war? Yeah.... We won't find shit until we plant it. There's a reason we didn't wait for the official UN inspectors to search for the weapons before quickly getting them out and starting to murder innocents. Don't worry, WE will find them.....seemingly miraculously, out of nowhere....after a night covert op---uh...i mean..
i havent even clicked on this thread until now because the title of the thread pissed me off.. but that is not true.. Saddam has all kind of shit up his sleeve to hurt the US.. Bush is doing better than pussy ass Clinton could ever do.. hell Cliton had a chance to snag Bin Ladden but he was a pussy
Many notable conservatives who back the president now by saying dissent is petty and unecessarry blatantly went against President Clinton's plans to attack Bin Laden, not to mention that Bush couldn't find Bin Laden either, and unike Bill he had complete control over the territory, but no Bin Laden... ...how convenient for those who want the American population to be easily swayed by fear.
heh im at work right now at my dads business, and my dads friend came to take my dad out to lunch.. he happens to be a Government teacher, so i showed him this thread and his responce "pfft.. your aguring with a bunch of people that are so far left its ridiculus..dont even bother, liberals see it their way or no way" i wanted him to reply to this thread himself but he was storming out the door to go eat so im gonna take his advice and not argue politics anymore.. anyone wanna get high?
funny words coming from a man who storms out of the room at the sight of an alternate point of view. My mind is open to all possiblities, but more importantly I take the time to explain exactly what I believe when necesarry, I don't run away from concepts that I don't like.
umm.. like i said him and my dad were storming out the door because they were running late for a lunchoun (sp?) that he was hosting this month.. i know him and ive seen him argue his point to people.. he was at my fathers business' Christmas party last year and was having a big discussion about politics and whatnot.. he was loving it hehe ..mainly becuase noone was coming up with any decient arguements.. the man knows his shit and hes not wrong for being right wing.. its just the logical way as he sees..and i would probably pay money to get him to sit here and read this thread and give his point of view.. yall would freak
Were moderate conservatives, Im still waiting for the liberals to move to another country after Bush got elected? Do you need airfare I will help. How does China, North Korea or Somalia sound? Remember if you go far enough left we can be socialists. Then we can all wear the same clothes and own bikes and pick rice. Lick Bush I mean Re-elect Bush And one more thing- Arqueing on the internet is like running in the special olympics even if you win your still retarded.
I could just as easily say that if you go far enough right you become a facist nazi, but I don't honestly think that, and more importantly I can argue without insulting or belittling others (even if you don't think being called a socialist is an insult that's obviously how it was meant). That's the funny thing about the internet, if you have no real argument you can tell others they're commies and that if they argue they're retarded.
Im sorry I didnt know its ok to call Bush a "fucker" but talking about ones soco-econmical political beleifs was out of bounds . Thats why im not a liberal I cant figure em out. not looking for a fight just stating my view God bless you God bless USA
and low and behold.... the news reporters are finding the evidence! quite amazing isnt it. after all those weapons inspectors and all those soldiers... its the bloody news reporters who are walking into ransacked buildings and walking out proclaiming to have found papers depicting all manner of possable evidence that there has been large quantities of WMDs. Im saying nothing more on that other than to say that it does seem a little strange doesnt it? nikidog.... what exactly is wrong with socialism? marxists and trotskyists arent the psychopathic, retarded devil, civilisation destroyers many right wingers make them out to be. the truth is somewhat closer to the other way around. the failure of Communism for the most part has been the fault of the right wing capitalists and the character flaws of humanity. I say bush is a fucker... but then at least i go on to say why and how i've come to that conclusion. I've heard little or no reasoning behind your anti-leftwing opinions.
Im a thinkin im a little outnumbered here, I made some general statements about political preference and I get flamed by liberals, I respect other views and if you read my post carefully you would note that I consider myself a "moderate" conservative, you seem intelligent enough to understand that dont you. I support medical reform and marijuana legalization and pro choice and other democratic platforms. Do my tendencys to be conserative make my political beliefs any less viable than yours? And do you really consider communist China and North Korea as models of government that are good for humankind? Im going to bow out at this point I am by no means looking for any empathy from anyone. I think it might be important to mention 2 years ago, I was diagnosed with terminal cancer. I have Acute Leukemia, I thank god everyday for my life and my ability to love, laugh, smoke the plant that eases my pain, and express my views on life and political balance. I hope the fact that I am an American citizen have worked my whole adult life and am a responsible human being gives me the "right" to my opinon I hope you feel fortunate to do the same. I dont think things are as bad as some people think. My only stress now in life is squeezing in as much life as I can. Im out on this one, but still love this site and all of you for letting me join this community.
flamed? im sorry if what i said was interpreted as flaming. it wasnt meant to be so. and please.... i want to hear more from you. variety is the spice of life, and if we all thought the same it would be really borring (infact i think it would have to be a product of a police state and mass genocide of people with individualist ideals) im not looking for a fight either. but then i also dont want to alientate everyone with views different to my own. I want the middle ground. an intelligent, mature "debate" (or more preferably, a discussion) on the topics that make the world go round. "Do my tendencys to be conserative make my political beliefs any less viable than yours?" I dont know... you havnt argued your point to an extent that i can make a judgement on that. so let me hear more. "And do you really consider communist China and North Korea as models of government that are good for humankind?" well.. no, not really. not because the are left wing, but because they are authoritarian and riddled with corruption. these two characteristics are shared with our governments... to what extent they are though, is a matter of some debate. i guess it depends on how well the propaganda machines here and there are run ;p . When China got its new ruler, and a somewhat modernised system of government too, i thought things might start to radically change for the better over there... but no. i was wrong. all the old fellas are still standing in the shadows pulling many strings or maybe just "suggesting" to the new guy what needs to be done. which, too, is a similar problem over here. All those civil servants and advisers etc etc, are those who control much of the actions and decisions made by our prime-minister/president. Much the same as we are fed propaganda to shape our opinions, so too are our "leaders".