No-till soil help needed

Discussion in 'Growing Organic Marijuana' started by DankDownUndaa, Aug 6, 2017.

  1. I don't really understand the question, could you please elaborate?
    From my understanding I don't even need to have worms in my no till, I'm just using a worm farm to get worm castings for free and I like the fact that they recycle waste.
     
  2. #62 OrganicSamurai, Aug 15, 2017
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    Hey Dank, yes Blueberry plants prefer more acidic soil ( between 4-5). I work on a small farm/orchard and we apply Acidic Conifer Mulch to all the Blueberries as well as Sulfur to maintain a proper PH level. If any Blueberry plants do not get this they will start to show discoloration and have diminished yields.

    Here is a great link ( with E- books etc..) for you for learning more about the inner workings of Soil. There are more books/forum discussions/links here than you will be able to digest haha.

    GiMiKs Library of Organic Gardening PDF Files

    As far as the Vermicomposting goes I would check out the link I provided up above there is literally a whole section dedicated to Worm Castings. As far as feeding the worms goes. You want to avoid anything acidic as well as ( Citrus fruit, Spicy foods, Onions, Garlic, Meat or Dairy). I would stick with Organic Products. You can use cardboard ( just no colored ink ) and you could also use newspaper as long it has no colored ink, but that isn't the most ideal food. Just know that cardboard and Newspapers ink are made with Vegetable based ink
    ( ie Soy/ GMO's ). So it isn't something I try to use because of the Glysophates etc...

    So, personally I wouldn't recommend either of those. I also wouldn't recommend kitchen scraps unless they have been broken down and dried out. Here is a list of things I feed my worms: Kelp Meal, Basalt and other Minerals, Crustacean Meal, Oyster Shell Flour, Crushed up Organic Eggshells ( from my chickens ), Organic ( used ) coffee grounds, Alfalfa meal, grinded up Comfrey plants ( bees knees ) , dead leaves/composted small pieces of wood ( small enough for them to digest ), dried lawn clippings. There are really a multitude of different ingredients that can be used as food. Here is one link for Worm Castings and their are at least 10 more in the first link provided up above.


    Feeding ・ Instructions ・ Hungry bin
     
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  3. Amen to that! The interview with coots that @OrganicSamurai posted recently had coots going crazy about this. People complain his soil build sucks apparently and he was heated. He uses 3 year old leaf mold to make his VERMIcompost and obviously layers the alfalfa, kelp, katana, MBP. However he said if youve goofed and made it with cheap stuff...i am guilty...just keep hitting it with kelp, alfalfa, neem, and MBP and it will build nice humus pretty quickly.
     
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  4. Hey Samurai,
    Thanks for that info I'll keep it in mind if I end up growing some blueberrys
    Also yes I've been slowing going through all the forum discussions, there definitely is an amazing amount of information for me to look through before I start to grow!

    Also would I be okay feeding my worms just mostly organic seaweed meal? I'd be able to put small amounts of everything else you feed your worms as well.
    Figure that might be my best choice because it's the cheapest and easiest to get in bulk (I can get 8kg or 20kg bags which are for animals).
     
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  5. #65 OrganicSamurai, Aug 15, 2017
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    Yea I don't see that being an issue, but I would diversify their diets as much as possible. If you can find a local Organic Coffee brew house near you they will give you their bulk spent grounds for free. Just a thought. If you can try not just to use the Kelp all the time as a food source. The Granite you have might work well as long as you feel comfortable using it. Also, MBP ( Organic Whole grains ) like MajorToker suggests would be a good addition as well plus it has multiple uses in the garden.

    Alfalfa meal is another one you can easily get in bulk. I don't know if you eat eggs a lot, but you can keep the shells and use them as well ( depending on how often you eat them ). I am lucky I have my own hens that get fed Organically and provide me with my shells. I try to get things that I can use in all aspects of my garden as well as my worm bin. Hope that helps.

    Last thing. I also collect all my trimmings from my plants ( leaves and stems ) let them dry out and grind them up into a powder to use as a food source as well. Helps save some money.
     
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  6. I'll definitely just provide my worms a more diverse diet, since it'll be better for them and my vermicompost.

    I'll think about using the granite dust too, but what about the volcanic rock dust? I was pretty stoned and already sprinkled a small handful on cause I thought if they eat granite dust they'd eat this, hope that's alright hahah.
    So far I've sprinkled in 2 larger handfuls of seaweed meal and 1 small handful of volcanic rock dust. Is fine to put this all in bone dry? Or is it better to spray it with water before or after you feed it to them?

    Great idea about going to a local organic coffee brewery for free spent grounds, I hadn't thought of that!
    Will also save up all the stems and leaves from all the plants I grow organically, I remember seeing something about this and it's really good because they have all of the nutrients and minerals that you've put into the soil.

    Thanks again for all the great tips Samurai!
     
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  7. I'm sure the samurai will say the same. I like to water pretty much anything I top dress with fulvic acid/aloe/silica. This will actually make minerals more available to worms. "Enzymes are the catalyst. Fulvic acid is the catalyst to the catalyst."
     
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  8. Hey Dank, yea brother diversity is the way to go. The Volcanic Rock Dust will work just fine as a mineral food. As well as the Granite. When you put food into the bin make sure you bury it under their bedding and then cover it not just spread it on top. Also, I like to spray my worm food to moisten it up to keep it from being bone dry. I believe it also speeds up the breakdown as well. You want to feed them 3x their weight in food a week. So if you got 2lb ( .907 Kilo ) of worms you would feed them 6lb ( 2.7 Kilo's ) of food a week.

    I usually feed mine every 2-3 days. Everyone's worm bins are different though ( some have more worms, larger bins etc...) so you will have to find what works for your Worm Farm. Definitely save your trimmings. I see too many people throwing that away... Also, in the meantime to help save money you can use dead leaves, grass clippings, or dried out hardwood broken down into little pieces as food in the meantime. One last thing that you might be interested in is growing a cover crop ( clover, alfalfa etc.. ) in a pot either in the Veg room or outdoors and use the trimmings as worm food. If you have the extra soil and room. Just another idea. Hope that helps.
     
  9. #69 DankDownUndaa, Aug 16, 2017
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    Hey Samurai, I didn't really bury my food in like that, but I did think it wasn't really effective for the food to only be sitting on top. So I just mixed up the entire pretty thoroughly but gently, probably about 50-60mm deep.
    Thanks for the detailed feeding instructions though, I'll do it like that from now on.
    The websites for how to feed worms and the instruction booklet which came with my worm farm didn't say to bury it, only that the uneaten layer of food should be at least 2.5cm thick and no more than 5cm over half of the surface. I didn't moisten the food today either, I just sprinkled it on dry, I'll spray some water on now though.
    The instructions for my worm farm has a note to flush 5L of water through it once a week, I'll probably do this on the weekend. Is it bad to use tap water to flush it though? I still haven't got a reverse ozmosis filter yet, have used tap water for everything so far.

    I also really want to set up the second working tray too, but I'm a bit unsure how to get it started. Should I just wait until my work population has increased? Or do I just have to add more Coco coir in to the second working tray, put the excess from the first tray into that one and then start feeding in the top one?

    Thanks again for all your help so far Samurai, I think I understand most of the basics to maintaining this worm farm now :)
     
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  10. #70 OrganicSamurai, Aug 16, 2017
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    Hey Dank, i have read different instructions on different sites for feeding worms and some vary from style to style. Here is a link from Cornell University about feeding worms

    etc.. Six Easy Steps to Setting Up a Worm Bin - Cornell Composting

    " Bury food scraps under bedding. Feed the worms fruit and vegetable scraps that would normally be thrown away. "

    " FEED, WATER and FLUFF!!! To keep worms happy, feed them about once a week. If bedding dries up, spray with water. (If bedding gets too wet, add dry newspaper strips.) Fluff up bedding once a week so the worms get enough air."

    I wouldn't do the flushing of water through the warm farm. Seems like a little too much water to me. You do not want the bin to get too wet. I would just use a spray bottle to keep the bedding moist periodically as well as spraying during feed times. I also " Fluff " the bins every week or so and mist the bin accordingly during that time. As far as the water goes. It kind of depends on if your Municipalities are using Chlorine or Chloramine to clean the water.

    If it is Chlorine you can let a bucket of water sit for 24 hours to let the Chlorine evaporate before using it. Chloramine is a little different of a beast...Chlorine and Chloramine are microbial life killers. If you have the ability/room I would try to collect rain water for your worm bins since they don't require a whole lot of H2O. In the meantime until you get yourself a RO filter, but if you can't the tap water will work ( just let it sit for 24 first ).

    For your second tray I would just set up the bedding and cut your worm population in half and divvy them up between them both. Then you can start feeding them both like you did the first one. Just make sure you are not overfeeding and they are digesting everything before the next meal time. You certainly have enough worms to do so.

    Another link Useful Worm Farming Information - Worms Downunder

    Here is some info on the Chloramine:

    DOES YOUR WATER CONTAIN CHLORAMINE? | NutriStart

    " But chlorine at least will dissipate fairly fast, when water is boiled or left exposed to air (most sources suggest it takes 24hrs for total dispersal) while chloramine will not.

    Chloramine is less reactive than chlorine, including less reactive to air. The supposed benefits of chloramine for disinfecting water requires a longer reaction time, but as a result it can take days (some say weeks) to break down into non-toxic components."
     
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  11. I'm not a big fan of RO, not that that means anything. I used one for years but realized it takes 3 gallons of water to make 1 gallon of RO, extremely wasteful. If you can get something like this Inline Water Filter System | Water Filters Australia you're much better off and it keeps all your minerals in place. Body Glove makes a similar filter in the US.

    Look for NSF on the filters.

    "The NSF International provides a range of certifications for products that involve initial and periodic testing:
    • NSF 42 covers aesthetic effects such as chlorine, taste, odour and particles.
    • NSF 53 covers health effects such as cysts (giardia, cryptosporidium), a range of organic chemicals (such as THM and pesticides) and heavy metals.
    The Australian standard AS/NZS4348 covers a wide range of contaminants, such as taste, odour and microbiological and chemical impurities. There are also standards for water softeners (cation exchangers: (NSF 44), reverse-osmosis (NSF 58) and distillation (NSF 62) systems."

    HTH
     
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  12. Awesome cheers Samurai, it's great to get clarification on how to feed my worms and maintain proper moisture for them :)

    I will also look into whether my tap water contains chlorine or chloramine, but will definitely get an RO filter soon anyway. For now I'll use that 24 hour trick, should be alright

    I bought 1000 (approx 125g) of worms so I should have enough to split them between two work trays, by adding more bedding do you mean the Coco coir?
    I've been able to see lots of tiny baby worms in my worm farm too which I guess is a good sign I've set it up correctly!

    One thing which has concerned me is a little Gray mite looking bug which I find mostly on the cardboard in my worm farm but they are kind of everywhere. I read up about seeing fruit flies and stuff in the worm farm which is normal, so I'm kind of thinking these bugs should be here too... Please let me know if you think they're something bad

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  13. #73 MajorToker, Aug 17, 2017
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    Here's a temporary worm reactor. I'm going to set one up outside in a 100g pot and load it with "forest humus" and leaves from the back yard.. This is a bed that's sitting. I have a bunch of alfalfa I separated for straw and I'm scared to mess with alfalfa much without cooking it so I'll just make castings in it for now. I run the red wrigglers to work the top and euro night crawlers work the bottom. I do lasagna layers.
    Compost
    Kelp meal
    Compost
    Neem cake
    Compost
    MBP
    Compost
    Chicken manure
    Compost
    Alfalfa
    Compost
    Topped with alfalfa

    Aeration medium is required also.
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  14. Hey @DankDownUndaa, 1000 worms? Shit, that's a lot. I started with 250 so you should be cranking out some castings here in the future. If you have more than two trays than you could split them up into 3 or even 4 different trays and still be cool with the amount of worms that you have. Coco Coir will work just fine for your bedding. Here is a link about different bedding's you can use: What Can I Use For Worm Bedding? - Uncle Jim's Worm Farm

    I would not be too worried about the gray looking mite bugs. I have similar looking things in my Worm Farm as well. There are also some rolly polly's ( pill bugs ) in there, but they don't do any harm. Fruit flies in the Worm Farm are not normal though and are usually a sign of overfeeding or putting too large of food scraps in the bin. Here is a link on that and how to avoid them: Troubleshooting Worm Bins - Cornell Composting

    Another thing. I see you have green cardboard in the Farm. Just a heads up you want to steer away from any colored ink in anything that you put in their. Just my opinion. " Where you may find a problem is with colored flyers and magazine paper. This paper usually has a high gloss to it, so it's easier to spot than the typical matte finish on newsprint. The gloss usually consists of a caulk substance (e.g. calcium carbonate) and various latex paint residues. " link below

    Can I Feed My Worms Colored Newspaper?
     
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  15. i found a limited supply on 150g official smartpot brand in tan color for $35 at amazon. my plan is to remove the soil from the current 150 and put it in totes. I'm going to set them outside on an old pallet i use that came from a deck i demo'd. then do the lasagna deal with 8 month compost and the soil which is probably 25% cast by now.
     
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  16. That's good to know I have more than enough worms, I was thinking 1000 wasn't much, in a few months time I'll probably double or triple the amount of fully grown worms.

    Thanks as well for confirming that those grey mites aren't doing any harm, I'll keep an eye out for fruit flies too.
    I'll get onto some Coco coir tomorrow and set up the second bed to try speed things up a bit and produce more Vermicastings!

    Lastly the cardboard in there is only from the actual packaging of the worm farm. In the instructions it said to use it all, but I only put about a third of it in because I didn't want to set it up with no food.
    Then I took out a bit more, but not all of it because I noticed there was lots of baby worms on some of the pieces of cardboard, so I figured that it wasn't worth getting rid of baby worms just to remove the cardboard.

    It did said in the instruction booklet that he worm farm packaging was "worm friendly" so hopefully the glossy finish was produced with something a bit more natural. If you think that it's still not worth having in there and the baby worms lost won't matter, then I can try to take it all out. Might be a bit difficult though because I layered the very bottom of the working tray with it.
     
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  17. #77 ElRanchoDeluxe, Aug 17, 2017
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    Hey man, I'll give you my simple take on raising worms.

    Red wigglers are known as "Composting" or "manure" worms for good reason. Feeding your worms nothing but compost or better yet a manure based compost is all the worms need.

    Feeding them compost is also the quickest way to achieve vermicompost, especially if using a vertical flow thru.

    If you do use egg shells in your bin as has been suggested, I strongly recommend grinding the egg shells first. The availability of calcium carbonate in the soil is dependent upon particle size. Plus, it's really annoying to me, having to look at pieces of egg shell in my soil 2-3yrs later.

    When you were asked about your no till becoming a large worm bin...given enough time...that's exactly what it becomes. My oldest bed is pushing 4 years old. When I transplant, it looks like the bed is just castings and lava rock. Somehow, the plants just keep growing!

    Edit: Cardboard and worms. Cardboard is a great material for increasing your worm population. Not so great for vermicompost. Cardboard from the U.S or Canada is safe to use. Chinese cardboard I would avoid.

    RD
     
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  18. I think you will be fine for right now since they are already too incorporated to move without disturbing things. Just make sure you do not add anymore colored cardboard in the future. I really just try to stay away from any ink at all on my cardboard ( because the ink is Soy based ), but then again I am super anal about what gets put into my plants/worms. I even steer clear of Bone and Blood Meal for the same reasons ( RGBH, their GMO Fed etc..) So, it is really just up to the individual grower on those calls.
     
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  19. why would you want to prevent that? worms are good!
     
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  20. Hey everyone, thought I'd give a quick update on how I'm going! So far I have mixed together a total of 8 cubic feet of base soil.
    It's a 1:1:1 ratio of Peat Moss, 30% EWC and 70% compost, then 35% Pumice VB and 65% Perlite for the aeration.

    These are the only amendments I've added so far:
    2 cups Seaweed meal
    2 1/2 cups Volcanic rock dust
    22 or 26 cups of Biochar (I was pretty baked and lost count a bit )
    4 cups of Neem cake pellets
    4 cups of Gypsum

    I'm still short on the rest of the Seaweed Meal, rock dust and Biochar which I'll get this weekend. My end soil mix should be something like this:

    Seaweed Meal - 1 cup per cuF
    Neem cake pellets - 1/2 or 1 cup per cuF
    Rock dust - 2 cups per cuF
    Biochar - 6 cups per cuF
    Gypsum - 1/2 cup per cuF
    Dolomite Lime - 1 cup per cuF

    I'm wondering if dolomite lime is the same as oyster shell powder/ crustacean meal? Not sure if they're used together or interchangeably.
    If it's good to use both then I'll find some oyster shell flour as well
    Also I'm not sure which rock dust would be better to buy, I'll link them below.

    No Frills - Rock Dust Plus

    Gardenworld - Munash Rock Dust 10KG
     

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