EDIT 2: Just ordered! Glad to have ordered from a US site. Such a load off, and hopefully they will arrive faster! Though now I have to try to find bud for Friday! Haha. Thanks for the recommendation smoky! I couldn't find anything affordable on that site... they didn't have EHLE, and I didn't really know what names were good... but I remember reading some good shit about SYN somewhere. +rep! EDIT: I've decided I am definitely getting some combination of EHLE products, because they seem to have a good name going, and they aren't nearly as pricey as Roor is. Plus, I've only been smoking for 6 months. I don't want to start sinking too much money into this "hobby" (as I like to call it). SO, have ~$170 is spend on any combination of bong, a/c, diffuser, filter, etc. I just want a straight cylinder style with ice pinches. Sorta looking at this now: EHLE Glass - 5mm Ice Cylinder Bong - 37cm (Link) ORIGINAL POST: Hey all, I know there are a million of these threads, and I have searched both Black Leaf and EHLE in the forums and read all about them, but I just had to post and hopefully get some opinions about these two bongs compared directly. I am selling this semester's books tomorrow, and am hoping to get around 100$ for them (as of now this is a bit of a pipe dream). Anyways, if all goes according to plan, I want to get a 50-60$ bong, and the rest on a precooler a/c kinda setup. I have been looking at straight tube styles with ice pinches, and had narrowed it down to a 250mL EHLE w/ an EHLE Bottleneck Precooler. The bong is 51$ and the Precooler is 53$. All glass-on-glass. I want to get pieces for ease of cleaning and ability to use with other bongs later on (rather than getting a bong with a built in diffuser/precooler/perc that won't clean as easily). ANYWAYS! Read that the EHLE only use 3mm thick glass unless otherwise noted, and also saw that the 250mL only use 2.5mm.... That worries me, so I starting looking at other options and found a similar spec Black Leaf that states a 4mm glass thickness, and is 6" taller for 2 dollars more (though I also read that this measurement is exaggerated, i.e. the BL is only 3mm too... :/ ). Any insight as to what I should do? EHLE Bong + EHLE Precooler, or Black Leaf Bong + EHLE Precooler? EHLE Glass - Ice Cylinder Bong (Hexagon Foot) - 250ml (Link) Black Leaf Glass Bong - Golden Dragon Series (Ice Straight) (Link) EHLE Pre-Cooler - Bottleneck (Link) Also considering getting a RooR steamroller for a first glass pipe choice... only 12$. Might as well. Roor Steam Roller Pipe - Mini (Link) PS - I know I linked another site... but it's purely for informational purposes, and I see other people do the same, so please don't respond to this thread only to comment on that.