Marxism in a nutshell is that the workers are the most important. But in socialism you tax the workers to pay they unemployed. Isnt that silly? Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
If you want to know what socialism and communism are, look them up. They aren't opposites, nor do they have to go hand in hand. Socialism is a stepping stone and is necessary for communism to later take place, but past that they are two very different things.
All good responses Except this one. This is a discussion. Not a question of definitions. I like discussions. Telling people to just go look stuff up ruins the point of discussing it
many socialist programs have worked very well for many decades. Communism has never truly been implemented either, so to say it doesn't work is also false. So far only agrarian societies with no middle class have attempted to tackle communism. Anyone who understands communism knows it can't succeed in agrarian societies. The US is probably the only nation on the planet that has the right set up for communism to even work as it was intended, or course I truly don't think that will ever happen here and I'm grateful for it.
I really think both will prosper for awhile, then both collapse. Communism, just look at USSR. Socialism, just look at our economy. Were getting too socialist and I fear it's hurting the economy more then helping. Grant it, we are not socialist, but come on, you have to admit were getting there.
More wellfare always results in damage to the econony. The guy claiming socialism sometikes works is naive. Small ammoints of socialism seem.to work because theu dont do as mucj damage to be noticed. No socialist nation has ever survived long enough to prove socialism can work Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
It's not like communism and socialism are evil or something. It's just that they simply don't work. They both just collapse on themselves. They have good intentions, they just don't work. Another reason why I'm not happy with the direction America is heading....
The USSR was an agrarian society, just as China was, Vietnam, etc.. True communism has never existed. I already made that point. So we can't logically say it will fail when it is implemented under the proper conditions. The US is not 100% socialist, but we've had socialism for a very long time. Our nation is a mix of capitalism and socialism and has been through the entirety of our great era as the world's main superpower. Public libraries are socialism. They don't cost the tax payer much money and the return of benefits to our citizens is way beyond what we put into it. Public roads are also more socialism. I don't see these types of socialist programs ever failing by themselves. If they fail it's because there isn't enough money anymore for either one, which won't necessarily be the fault of socialism. Most of our recent economic problems weren't caused by socialism, but by crony capitalism.
Especially corporate welfare. I claimed socialism works, and it does in some aspects and I proved it, therefore your naïve comment is inaccurate. Public roads, libraries, trash removal, etc.. do damage? There are no 100% socialist nations nor ever have been. Socialism always works alongside capitalism, until a country decides to take the step to communism. Also the most socialist nations in the world have led for quality of life throughout the world for multiple years now.
True. Thing is America doesn't have the money for all this welfare bullshit and it's destroying the country with a bunch of lazy selfish people who don't want to work but rather abuse our system. As for communism, I don't really see anyway it could possibly succeed.
[quote name="RippedMonk" post="18275113" timestamp="1372445970"]The USSR was an agrarian society, just as China was, Vietnam, etc.. True communism has never existed. I already made that point. So we can't logically say it will fail when it is implemented under the proper conditions. The US is not 100% socialist, but we've had socialism for a very long time. Our nation is a mix of capitalism and socialism and has been through the entirety of our great era as the world's main superpower. Public libraries are socialism. They don't cost the tax payer much money and the return of benefits to our citizens is way beyond what we put into it. Public roads are also more socialism. I don't see these types of socialist programs ever failing by themselves. If they fail it's because there isn't enough money anymore for either one, which won't necessarily be the fault of socialism. Most of our recent economic problems weren't caused by socialism, but by crony capitalism.[/quote]True capitalism has never existed eitherAlso your argument is essentially that taxation = socialism. I agree. Thats one reason taxes are badSent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
The drain from lazy selfish welfare people on our country is nothing to worry about. that isn't what is sinking our ship. If you want to point the blame finger somewhere and include welfare, corporate welfare is the only welfare monster truly hurting our nation.
taxation isn't necessarily socialism. taxation is required for socialism, but they aren't equal. Socialism makes use of taxation by giving back to the people through various programs. Socialism is basically sharing. We pay the taxes in, the taxes go to something everyone can use or benefit from...like a road...and we all share it. Taxation still exists quite well without any socialism though.
The difference is in the head of power Communism - dictator, I.e. Hitler and Nazi Germany Socialism - Stahlin and USSR, major political party
Yes we can. Communism can't even begin to work. Never has and never will. It requires a fundamental change in human nature, and is therefore just a utopian myth. Also the steps that Marx outlined that will lead to communism are also simply myths, just stuff he came up with to somehow explain his theory of eventual proletariat revolution. It amazes me that so many can actually believe it, but then again, people believe in Scientology also, so it's not as if people require reason, logic, history, or facts to come to their conclusions. Marxism doesn't even deserve to be discussed in a serious way.
I see. So military is not a spcialist program. But dont wr benefit from "security" Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app