Kind of a misleading title for the thread but let me explain. Seems like you can't dislike or have a less than nearly fanatic love for certain rappers these days (especially on youtube) without hearing someone say "U (insert insult here), THE REEZIN YOU DUN LIKE IT IS CUZ YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REAL HIP HOP IS, GO BACK TO YOUR (insert assumption about your musical tastes based on your differing opinion of this one song, perhaps throw in another insult). I find it really annoying, because personally I love hip hop and I'm down to have a civilized debate with anyone on anything about it, but it's impossible with a lot of fans. It's especially bad with strictly underground hip hop fans, Immortal Technique fans, Hopsin fans (dear Lord Hopsin fans), Earl fans... I'm just tired of "real hip hop" being interchangable with "underground hip hop". 2Pac was signed to a label and I see a lot of those same fans on his videos going "REAL HIP HOP" after telling me to go listen to my gay industry music (for the record my favorite artists are independent sans Eminem, I just like to hear other stuff sometimes). So do you use the phrase "real hip hop", and if so can you point me to fake hip hop and give me pointers on checking if the instrumental is indeed false? And is anyone else tired of this shit?