Inside the mind of a sociopath

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    <center>Inside the Mind of a Sociopath

    </center> This excerpt is from: "The Sociopath Next Door: The Ruthless vs. the Rest of Us" by Martha Stout Ph.D. (Broadway Books, New York, 2005, ISBN 0-7679-1581-X). Martha Stout is a clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School and elaborates on the tales of ruthlessness in everyday life based on her 25 years of practice as a specialist in the treatment of psychological trauma survivors.
    <hr size="3"> Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern of the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools. Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless. You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience that they seldom even guess at your condition.


    In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world. You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences, will most likely remain undiscovered.
    How will you live your life? What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)? The answer will depend largely on just what your desires happen to be, because people are not all the same. Even the profoundly unscrupulous are not all the same. Some people - whether they have a conscience or not - favor the ease of inertia, while others are filled with dreams and wild ambitions. Some human beings are brilliant and talented, some are dull-witted, and most, conscience or not, are somewhere in between. There are violent people and non-violent ones, individuals who are motivated by blood lust and those who have no such appetites.


    Maybe you are someone who craves money and power, and though you have no vestige of conscience, you do have a magnificent IQ. You have the driving nature and the intellectual capacity to pursue tremendous wealth and influence, and you are in no way moved by the nagging voice of conscience that prevents other people from doing everything and anything they have to do to succeed. You choose business, politics, the law, banking or international development, or any of a broad array of other power professions, and you pursue your career with a cold passion that tolerates none of the usual moral or legal encumbrances. When it is expedient, you doctor the accounting and shred the evidence, you stab your employees and your clients (or your constituency) in the back, marry for money, tell lethal premeditated lies to people who trust you, attempt to ruin colleagues who are powerful or eloquent, and simply steamroll over groups who are dependent and voiceless. And all of this you do with the exquisite freedom that results from having no conscience whatsoever.
    You become unimaginably, unassailably, and maybe even globally successful. Why not? With your big brain, and no conscience to rein in your schemes, you can do anything at all.


    Or no - let us say you are not quite such a person. You are ambitious, yes, and in the name of success you are willing to do all manner of things that people with conscience would never consider, but you are not an intellectually gifted individual. Your intelligence is above average perhaps, and people think of you as smart, maybe even very smart. But you know in your heart of hearts that you do not have the cognitive wherewithal, or the creativity, to reach the careening heights of power you secretly dreams about, and this makes you resentful of the world at large, and envious of the people around you.
    As this sort of person, you ensconce yourself in a niche, or maybe a series of niches, in which you can have some amount of control over small numbers of people. These situations satisfy a little of your desire for power, although you are chronically aggravated at not having more. It chafes to be so free of the ridiculous inner voices that inhibit others from achieving great power, without having enough talent to pursue the ultimate successes yourself. Sometimes you fall into sulky, rageful moods caused by a frustration that no one but you understands.


    But you do enjoy jobs that afford you a certain undersupervised control over a few individuals or small groups, preferably people and groups who are relatively helpless or in some way vulnerable. You are a teacher or a psychotherapist, a divorce lawyer or a high school coach. Or maybe you are a consultant of some kind, a broker or a gallery owner or a human services director. Or maybe you do not have a paid position and are instead the president of your condominium association, or a volunteer hospital worker, or a parent. Whatever your job, you manipulate and bully the people who are under your thumb, as often and as outrageously as you can without getting fired or held accountable. You do this for its own sake, even when it serves no purpose except to give you a thrill. Making people jump means you have power - or this is the way you see it - and bullying provides you with an adrenaline rush. It is fun.


    Maybe you cannot be a CEO of a multinational corporation, but you can frighten a few people, or cause them to scurry around like chickens, or steal from them, or - maybe, best of all - create situations that cause them to feel bad about themselves. And this is power, especially when the people you manipulate are superior to you in some way. Most invigorating of all is to bring down people who are smarter or more accomplished than you, or perhaps classier, more attractive or popular or morally admirable. This is not only good fun; it is existential vengeance. And without a conscience, it is amazingly easy to do. You quietly lie to the boss or to the boss's boss, cry some crocodile tears, or sabotage a coworker's project, or gaslight a patient (or child), bait people with promises, or provide a little misinformation that will never be traced back to you.


    Or now let us say you are a person who has a proclivity for violence or for seeing violence done. You simply murder your coworker, or have her murdered - or your boss, or your ex-spouse, or your wealthy lover's spouse, or anyone else who bothers you. You have to be careful, because if you slip up, you may be caught and punished by the system. But you will never be confronted by your conscience, because you have no conscience. If you decide to kill, the only difficulties will be the external ones. Nothing inside you will ever protest.
    Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all. If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. In fact, terrorism (done from a distance) is the ideal occupation for a person who is possessed of blood lust and no conscience, because if you do it just right, you may be able to make a whole nation jump. And if that is not power, what is?


    Or let us imagine the opposite extreme: You have no interest in power. To the contrary, you are the sort of person who really does not want much of anything. Your only real ambition is not to have to exert yourself to get by. You do not want to work like everyone else does. Without a conscience, you can nap or pursue your hobbies or watch television or just hang out somewhere all day long. Living a bit on the fringes, and with some handouts from relatives and friends, you can do this indefinitely. People may whisper to one another that you are an underachiever, or that you are depressed, a sad case, or, in contrast, if they get angry, they may grumble that you are lazy. When they get to know you better, and get really angry, they may scream at you and call you a loser, a bum. But it will never occur to them that you literally do not have a conscience, that in such a fundamental way, your very mind is not the same as theirs.


    The panicked feeling of a guilty conscience never squeezes at your heart or wakes you in the night. Despite your lifestyle, you never feel irresponsible, neglectful or so much as embarrassed, although for the sake of appearances, sometimes you pretend that you do. For example, if you are a decent observer of people and what they react to, you may adopt a lifeless facial expression, say how ashamed of your life you are, and talk about how rotten you feel. This you do only because it is more convenient to have people think you are depressed than it is to have them shouting at you all the time, or insisting that you get a job.


    You notice that people who do have a conscience feel guilty when they harangue someone they believe to be "depressed" or "troubled." As a matter of fact, to you further advantage, they often feel obliged to take care of such a person. If, despite your relative poverty, you can manage to get yourself into a sexual relationship with someone, this person - who does not suspect what you are really like - may feel particularly obligated. And since all you want is not to have to work, your financier does not have to be especially rich, just relatively conscience-bound.


    I trust that imagining yourself as any of these people feels insane to you, because such people are insane, dangerously so. Insane but real - they even have a label. Many mental health professionals refer to the condition of little or no conscience as "anti-social personality disorder," a non-correctable disfigurement of character that is now thought to be present in about 4 percent of the population - that is to say, one in twenty-five people. This condition of missing conscience is called by other names, too, most often "sociopathy," or the somewhat more familiar term psychopathy. Guiltlessness was in fact the first personality disorder to be recognized by psychiatry, and terms that have been used at times over the past century include manie sans délire, psychopathic inferiority, moral insanity, and moral imbecility.
     
  2. Greetings,

    We should rig some genetic marker screen and euthanize people like that when they're born.

    Yours Truly,
    Sam_Spade
     
  3. Eugenicize the nation! ;)
    Because some advantages are just too good to be true!
     
  4. Sam, Please think before you talk. I am a sociopath, I can do whatever I want. I do not want to hurt people because it brings me no wealth power or happiness.

    Ive read that whole book and she is a fear inducing bigot. Most people dont understand, and all she is doing is helping the paranoia brought out by people like sam spade.
     
  5. agreed. why would you defend such 11th century english fascism? sociopaths are products of YOUR fucked up society.
     
  6. Greetings,

    Wow, apparently irony is lost upon you all.

    For a sociopath, you sure have a significant emotional stake in you diagnosis :rolleyes:

    I love it, you guys are trying to appeal to my MORALS concerning SOCIOPATHS.

    Keep this stuff coming, it's great!

    Yours Truly,
    Sam_Spade
     
  7. 1 in 25?

    Too low, I'd go with 1 in 10.

    Maybe higher than that. Definitely higher in the Sudan.
     
  8. Sociopathology as culture. Intriguing... :p
     
  9. How am i trying to apeal to your morals? What i wanted to say is against the TOS and i dont find it necessary to get banned here over someone who doesnt know what they are talking about.

    Now I guess im not a full sociopath, I have two morals. I will defend animals and women i am attracted to. Otherwise I can kill without "remorse", I can steal without "remorse", and i can use people without "remorse".

    I find myself to be superior to all other humans in this way, remorse is a weakness evolved unto us before our boom of technology. It is not needed anymore and now you see people like me ruling your world.

    Thank you.
     
  10. Fear never evolved in humans to separate them from within. It is abused for such purposes however. Nothing new or special. Actually, it's getting old.
     
  11. There is a huge difference between fear and remorse.

    I can feel fear, I dont want to die. I fear death.
    understand?
     
  12. That is of course the "sociopath"'s worst nightmare. Plus having her ego harmed.

    It would seem to me that that must suck since every moment there is a chance you're about to die. And that chance only increases infinitely the farther into the future you look.
     
  13. Yes and no. My way of coping with it is convincing myself im invincable. Which works until times like these come up and i discuss it, showing myself how much logic i lack.

    I also tend to focus on the now, the future is irrelevant to what is happening now. That leads me to being very impulsive. And I think that is what leads some sociopaths(the minority of us) to get a bloodlust.

    I on the other hand just want to be rich and envied by everyone. I see nothing wrong with what I am and I hate being in most places and having to fake emotion. Its very simple but boring. Although I am a great actor because of it.
     
  14. Greetings again,

    Wait a second -- are you a "self diagnosed" sociopath?

    Anyways, you ask

    You do so by saying:

    As if there is any innate reasons I should give a shit about you.

    Not only if the profoundly obviously irony totally lost upon you, But you immediately make appeals to emotion -- very strange thing for a SOCIOPATH to do.

    Yours Truly,
    Sam_Spade
     
  15. An actor that wants extroverted attention for introverted reasons? No one-der thoughts in your head must seem illogical even to you... :) But it's really an interesting thing for me to think about.
     
  16. No i was diagnosed two years ago. People thought i was depressed, I wasnt and finally a psychologist told me what I already knew.

    Actually one of the key ingredients to being as crazy as I am(in your eyes) is a very very strong sense of charm. I do it without thinking, I manipulate others emotions. Ive learned over the years to control people, my way is to pull your emotions to what i find desirable. I honestly dont care what you think about me, unless you fit a certian criteria.

    And you do sam_spade, you do it very well. You see, you threatened my life. And my life is the only thing i hold dear. If anyone ever threatens my life, I manipulate them to change their mind. There are many ways to do that. Due to the fact this is over the internet I wanted to use "emotions" to change your mind. But if you were standing in front of me and you said "We should find a way to kill all sociopaths" I would probably use fear, or if it came to it; killing you.
     
  17. An appeal to emotion would do little to sway someone who is logical. Perhaps you need to learn new methods of manipulating logical people? :)
     
  18. Ahh you see where it gets more complicated. Most logical people still would not get in this argument, mostly because it is unusual for someone like myself to come out and say I am a sociopath. But due to the anonymous nature of this forum I find no reason to hide it.

    Since i have little experience defending my "disorder" i did choose the wrong way to manipulate him.

    I will give you all a hint, if there is one way to spot a sociopath; its the eyes. I have the eyes, they are the eyes of a predator and most living beings can feel them. Its hard to describe but i can tell when someone else has to eyes too. They usually are far brighter and have a tendency to move very calculatingly. Go look at a car salesmen to learn what i mean ;)
     
  19. I know what you mean. Eyes down, and no one believes you. Eyes unclosed and piercing, then you see yourself in the other person.
     
  20. ROFL

    this guy is hilarious! :hello:

    What were your signatory's credentials? just curious.

    What kind of medication did he prescribe you? Do you not take it?

    Wow, I don't think anybody has even said that.

    Wow, weird, you like you talk about yourself a lot. You seem very insecure.

    I'm no Ph.D, but everything you've been illustrated seems far more like Social Anxiety Disorder coupled with a weird kind of egotism than true sociopathy. I mean you're on a social information forum after all; you're actively seeking human contact.

    Really? Well you seem terrible at reading people and situations, because you still fail to see the obviously over-arcing irony of my original statement.

    I do what?

    You seriously still fail to see where I was trying to invoke irony... seriously? You really don't get it yet? You should just stop talking at this point.

    You're one of the least persuasive people I've met, you seem incredibly self-conscious, short-witted, naive and really not all that intelligent. I genuinely don't mean to offend you, I'm sure you have some great personal qualities, I just fail to see how you have the capacity to manipulate people.

    Of course, these are all foolhardy assumptions from our limited interactions.

    I mean, you're just making base appeals and vague claims... even in the abstract sense of persuasion - you're failing.

    Wow, you can actually write a statement like that and still fail to see it? Gee wiz.

    Anyways, you're still not very convincing in this role, but I give you an A+ for effort. As absurdly asinine as your statement is; considering you know absolutely nothing about me.

    And the fact I'm willing to bet that you've never killed an mammal much less a primate or human being. You know what you should do? Walk a beat for 20 years with only a 9mm to keep you alive, then we'll see what you have to say about life and death situations.

    No... no it's really not. If you're going to try to emulate something, you should REALLY do your homework.

    That's a nice way of saying you really don't know what the hell you're talking about.

    The poetic analogies are a nice touch, but it's really just further evidence that you have no fucking clue what your talking about. This is a psychological disorder, not a magical curse from the Wicked Witch of the West. :rolleyes:

    Yours Truly,
    Sam_Spade
     

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