WHAT? its already over 20 around here first off. 20 is WAY to much to begin with. and at first yeah the prices will probably be lowered because theyre gonna have so much, supply and demand isnt even really in the picture. but look back at the alcohol prohibition, and legalization, they started selling it cheap as hell and now look at it! sorry but 40 bucks for a decent scotch is fucking RIDICULOUS. it costs less than a dollar to make one bottle. Its not gonna be from the grower and straight through to the clinic where its sold. its gonna be going through retailing, all that stuff. The prices WILL go up. not at first, but they WILL. jus sayin.
When/If it's ever fully legal, It won't cost me anything but the supplies to grow it and smoke it lol
Actually if you had paid attention, you would realize that it is the greedy ones selling to others, that are being taken down. If legal there will still be an abundance of product and cheap prices.
Alright first off, damn good reply. BUT im not trying to continue the prohibition. I simply think if it was legalized under federal law, but we kept the same regulations it would be simpler. I think if they went as far as just abrubtly legalized it like alcohol its going to stir up all kinds of complication, and laws, and it will just be to soon. I think if it was gradually done, meaning making it federaly legal, then maybe change some of the stricter restrictions, and THEN legalizing, will make it easier on the people who DONT want it legalized at all. Theres just as many people that are completely against it. Thats why it didnt pass right? Because they havn't yet become accustomed to it being apart of everyday regular life. I think taking gradual steps over the next few years to lead up, to the full legalization would make more sense. p.s sorry for my 3rd grade typing in the OP. Indicas make me lazy p.s.s DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT DOES P.S MEANS!?
YEAH but that doesnt cost them extra money, just time. Come on those factorys are so old they dont have to pay rent anymore! And i think 12 years is decent:] If a 20 year bottle costed 40 that would be more like it... But more around 4 times that much.
P.S. = post script That is exactly how legalizing would work. First it would become unscheduled by federal law, then states would be allowed to do as they please without being penalized by the federal government. Edit: Oh and time = money!
Fuck off you selfish bastard. What justifies putting people in prison/jail for consuming a natural plant? Get the fuck out of here
No if YOU were paying attention you would know its NOT always the greedy ones...Completely compliant and innocent clinic owners are getting bad reputations all the time where i live, being raided with no real good intention, only to find nothing wrong. And whyyy? Because its illegal under federal law. If it wasnt illegal to them they wouldnt have to be raided.
Dammit. why does everyone keep throwing that at me. Nothing justifies it. I never said it did. It sucks that so many people had to be convicted for something so innocent. But if it was just federally legal people wouldnt have been convicted most of the people that were, were patiens that were wrongly convicted. As for the people who WEREN'T legal patients, the law is the law whether its right or not and if they didnt wanna get busted they should have paid for a script to at least LOWER the chances of being convicted. Im not saying i NEVER want it to be legalized it absolutely should and it WILL i just think there should be precautions leading up to it, to make it easier on the people who are against it. It just seems like such a huge change to be made in just a few years timeline. Theres still allot of people who see it as just as bad of a drug as the hard drugs. [i dont see their logic but whatever] They dont want to see that legalized. I cant stand the fact that people are practically being prescribed HEROINE for pain. If they ever found ways that heroine could be "benefical" and all this was going on under those circumstances i would absolutely LIVID.
Believe what you wish, but even the customers of many "allegedly" legit dispensories discovered otherwise. Many have access to too much product and Are illegally selling on the side.
think about principles man, not possible social consequences. all issues of law brought before a court were resolved on principles before the brandeis brief of the early 1900.
Important point that most people in today's society seem to miss completely: Prohibition is NOT the natural state of affairs. Most people in this country act like it's the other way around and that we need permission from the Fed to do anything at all. Bullshit. I'm tired of Americans being treated like children with learning disabilities. Everything should be legal, and remain legal, unless there is a damn good reason for it to be otherwise. As far as crimes against people and property are concerned, I think we can all universally agree that these should be punishable by law. If a victim can come forth and claim victimization, whether physical or financial, the criminal justice system should levy a punishment. "Victimless Crimes" like possession or consumption of mind altering substances go against every principal that this country was founded upon. Victimless Crime stands in absolute defiance of Freedom and Freewill alike. I don't care if someone is smoking crack. Until they victimize another human being, they shouldn't be subject to criminal justice. Just my humble opinion.
America was founded by Rebels who felt that they were being severly restricted by their Government. Prohibition is useless in all aspects, with any substance. Prohibition always ends with the public winning, it's just taken a Long freakin time for us to win this War. Amsterdam has less of a %age of it's population smoking pot
It's not like NORML or MPP or any other organization for marijuana laws only focuses on full legalization they fight as hard as they can for anything they can get. Which includes the federal government to respect state law. They aren't just focusing on one aspect of the issue. We also aren't that far from full legalization. I know it seems like it would be several years away but it's going to work like medical laws, one passes and then other states consistently keep passing them. Nevada had a legalization bill in 2006 that got 44% of the vote and prop 19 got 46%. With the crackdown I think Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act actually has a good chance because we got back stabbed by the medical community and it was during mid term elections (youth voter turnout was too low). We've got a lot of momentum so why should we settle for anything less than full legalization?
Also your response was fairly incoherent. You attempted to make the point that legalization shouldn't happen because A. taxes B. the children C. theft, which have all been shot down, and your response was "yeah thats exactly what i mean". You just want the federal government to respect your states laws and not interfere. Which is good but doesn't go far enough we need full legalization still because A. War in Mexico B. People are still being arrested C. Open up research D. Set the standard for worldwide drug policy
(Not very relevant: you said legal to the open public, not medical use, and in the majority of locations around the US (and the globe), it's illegal ) (They don't want us growing it now And most growers, do not sell, even while it's illegal. It seems that more people are growing for personal use than you realize... I personally can only think of one, out of maybe every 30 growers I know, who sells (to anyone besides his old Auntie Sue, his brother and a few cousins, who barely pay enough to cover the grow expenses). And I probably know of more 'professional' growers than most people, so my numbers are likely skewed in favor of there being fewer growers-for-profit. And the folks profit-growing, are growing... just, incredibly, un-imaginably, ridiculous amounts. Assuming my numbers aren't skewed, and that's somewhat similar across the board, it's still only a fraction of people dealing what they grow. And considering only a handful of states have legal medicinal use, imagine just how much easier it would be to cover up a 'naughty grow op' that you weren't supposed to have, if you were at least allowed to smoke it in your home. Odor control is the biggest issue, for many growers. If the odor of cannabis was to be expected, and if it was no longer considered probable cause to check up on every source of odor, then it would be incredibly easy, for even those who can't manage to control their odor, to grow stealthily. If the odor was legal and to be expected, it would add one more layer of convenience to the grow, and more importantly, it would take away a weapon in their arsenal for busting growers. Again, a bonus for legalization for all ) (*nods*) (Are you sure you've thought that through? Do you think a family home, with common sheet glass windows, and feeble 'home-depot' door locks, is an equal challenge for breaking and entry, as a store front with: cameras, nearby armed security guards, barred windows (if any windows even exist at all)? Stealing from a shop or a legally operating business, also allows for pressing charges, and having merchandise returned.... having someone rob you of an illegal and non-medical crop, doesn't exactly leave you with those options. Not to mention that, compared to an empty store-front, in your own house your family will likely be at home, and may either be hurt, or killed during a robbery, It's not quite as often, that people bust into each others homes, and kill one another, over their widely-available and legal tomatoes, or tobacco, or other 'legal' substances with hallucinogenic effects.. a widely-available 'legal' crop is usually met with a little less violence. If making it legal saves a single life, it was worth it. But it would save many more than that, when you take cartels into consideration.) The only complications with legalization, come from those who can't understand why it would be better. The fact we have people who feel that way on our side, is just.. very surprising. There is literally not one single reason that keeping it illegal, is somehow safer, or less complicated. You want to know complicated? Keeping a harmless plant, enjoyed by over half the population, illegal for racist and socialist reasons, now that, has created a TON of complications, headaches, and heartaches over the years, since prohibition first came into effect. Keeping it illegal, has killed, hurt and destroyed the lives of countless people, and families. Those same people, whose lives have been destroyed or taken from them, would be perfectly fine today, if we could have come together a long time ago to correct this. Think about it.. not many home brewers, or liquor store owners, run around shooting each other these days.... but remember how the prohibition of alcohol worked, and the legacy of crime it left behind? Taking into consideration the reality of what we're still dealing with now, after prohibition began, even today almost a century later.... ending cannabis prohibition for the majority of the population who openly admits to using it, would clear things up in a snappy little heartbeat, in comparison.