i personally dont think it SHOULD be legalized to the open public.

Discussion in 'Marijuana Legalization' started by Hali Hostility, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. even though it would probably be easier to access, i think opening it up to the public will make everything complicated....think about it, the taxes are gonna be INSANE. it would probably be illegal to grow..kids are gonna be sending bums to buy them pot just like how they do with alcohol, people are gonna be stealing it left and right, i think it would be crazy. i like where we are now, its so simple, so long as your of age, and can pick at least one or 2 things off that INFINITE list [and just about everyone can] your golden, you can grow, you can do whatever you want! its so easy why would we want to mess with that, i think we should just focus on the FEDS. make it legal under theyre eyes too. whats your 2 cents?
     
  2. kids get pot easier than alcohol as it is now and worse case scenario it would be at the same priced dealers do now ,
     
  3. The government isn't going to be able to stop people from growing pot in their own homes. They can't stop it now so why would we be worried about them preventing it if marijuana becomes legal?
     

  4. I'll give you my 3c.

    Nothing you have mentioned justifies sustaining a black market that has already claimed the lived of over 36,000 Mexican citizens. Nothing you have mentioned justifies the arrests of over 1,200,000 American citizens, predominantly for the non-violent crime of possession.

    As far as children and potential harm by way of marijuana consumption, I think the potential harms of arrest and incarceration far outweigh any you could mention. I am a father of two. I believe providing children with a proper education on the topic of drugs will go a hell of a lot farther than flat-out prohibiting them. If my children chose to experiment with marijuana, no amount of effort from myself or our government will be able to stop them.

    So here is my 3rd cent: Anyone who advocates for the continued prohibition of marijuana is only a small moral step above a cartel's hired thugs. I believe people who advocate for continued prohibition for the sake of The Children are either deceitful or fear-driven, but cowards in any case. I believe that anyone who advocates for the continued prohibition of marijuana for the sake of dodging taxes is equivalent to a human-sized cancer cell and deserves to spend some time in a state penn to better understand the consequences of chronic ignorance.

    But that's just me. I also don't like when people who are too lazy to capitalize, punctuate and use proper grammar try to engage in intelligent debate on issues to complicated for them to understand.

    Guess that was 4c worth. Keep the change.
     
  5. The only reason to legalize adult marijuana sales is to undercut illegal prices - driving drug dealers off the street and making children far safer than they are today. So prices have to come down even after taxation.

    Illegal growers and dealers risk getting caught and require extra compensation to reward them for taking this risk. As their legal peers won't take this risk they won't require this extra compensation and will therefore be able to produce their herb at a lower price than their illegal competition. Prices, even after taxation, will come down.

    When production scales up and stores start really competing against each other and against alcohol, prices will come down to a fraction of what they are today.
     

  6. Why do you say taxes would be insane when there are literally no new taxes in california's Regulate Marijuana Like Wine? You haven't even read the upcoming bills and you already made up your mind on them. In missouri's law the tax is at maximum 100$ per lb and in RMLW there are ZERO additional taxes. Also legalization would only reduce incentive to steal cannabis by reducing the over all value of it and kids can get it easier than alcohol because their friends are the dealers so legalizing would just make it harder if anything.

    Where we are now is the opposite of simple. We have the feds closing down dispensaries in every state. San Diego county has had 62% of their dispensaries shut down and they're not stopping till every single one is gone.
    Even if all your points were correct it still wouldn't justify criminalizing cannabis. Obviously you're from a medical state though so you don't care about the thousands of lives being destroyed every day or the people getting killed from botched raids. You should be ashamed. This is why I'm glad the feds are cracking down on you I hope they bust all of you. Your medical laws have made you so comfortable you question whether we should even legalize it.
     
  7. [quote name='"Hali Hostility"']even though it would probably be easier to access, i think opening it up to the public will make everything complicated....think about it, the taxes are gonna be INSANE. it would probably be illegal to grow..kids are gonna be sending bums to buy them pot just like how they do with alcohol, people are gonna be stealing it left and right, i think it would be crazy. i like where we are now, its so simple, so long as your of age, and can pick at least one or 2 things off that INFINITE list [and just about everyone can] your golden, you can grow, you can do whatever you want! its so easy why would we want to mess with that, i think we should just focus on the FEDS. make it legal under theyre eyes too. whats your 2 cents?[/quote]

    No i gaurantee this won't happen.
     
  8. God damn my brain hurts after reading that OP. :rolleyes:
     
  9. idiot.
     
  10. Feel free to move.
     
  11. #11 BadKittySmiles, Dec 1, 2011
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    (It would be MUCH easier to cover up a grow then, if you're allowed to buy it and use it, and the odor is expected... much, much easier, than it is now)


    (It's still illegal now, and again it's much harder to cover up, than it would be if cannabis use was legal)


    (Instead of being exposed to strange dealers, with numerous other, harder drugs, and tainted contaminated herb, they'll get it from a better source, this is not ideal, but in comparison, it is a drastic improvement)


    (No worse than alcohol theft, and the robberies in a legal scenario are less likely to be between violent and armed thugs, but instead, would more often be simple, sneaky shop thieves).


    Well, it seems like it would only be better if it was legal, now doesn't it. :)
     
  12. Look at the user name of this "person", They are either trying to stir the pot (pun defiantly intended) or just hopelessly ignorant.
     
  13. You're an idiot if you think it'll stay 20 a gram in areas even if it was legal. Prices would drop incredibly.

    Jus sayin.
     
  14. well... as far as the prices... lets think realistically. Keep in mind this is dank.

    in cali, with its current legislature, you can get 7g for 40 bucks or something ridiculous, probably cheaper if you have an in. in New England you can get a quarter for 120, 100 if your a friend and 90 if your buddy buddy and So on and so forth. If it was legal, the prices would drop to at least cali prices everywhere, and chances of dropping more because its legal nationwide are very good.

    Aside from prices, OP, In many cases if you are arrested for possession, you will be facing equal jailtime equal to murder charges, Grand theft, assualt with a deadly weapon.... Just look at the crazy shit that happen to people for having a plant that can revolutionize medicine. no joke.
     
  15. Damn, OP is a dipshit. Please leave this site.
     
  16. When I was a kid I never sent a bum to buy me alcohol, but at ten yrs old I could buy some swagg from up the street of my house.
    With it being legalized, I don't see how the gov'n would try to make growing pot illegal; growing tobacco isn't illegal, neither is making alcohol, but selling home produced tobacco and alcohol is illegal.

    Why would you think people are going to be stealing it left and right?
    I've never heard of some guy robbing a gas station and asking for all their cigarettes and beer.
     

  17. yeah thats exactly what i mean, I think if it was legal under FEDERAL law, but we still had all the same rules, the feds CANT shut down any clinics [unless with good reason of course.] and they cant take down anyone because its LEGAL. arn't most of the people that have been wrongly convicted, or shot, PATIENTS. the only reason they were taken down, is BECAUSE the stupid feds. I simply think we should keep the general rules of requiring a recommendation to have a script, instead of just legalizing it such as alcohol or tobacco, im sure that will come years and years away anyway. I just think the activists should focus on getting it legalized under federal law. Im not sure how the whole proccess works, but all ive heard in the past couple years is them trying to legalize it like alcohol.
     

  18. Really? youve never heard of liqour store robberies? And besides i dont think they would have it in regular stores, i think they would still have these clinics, at least for a few more years, but you just wouldnt need a script..just your i.d. People make plans to break into places to steal stupid shit, i heard of people that were gonna go through the roof of a smoke shop JUST for a bong or two. Why wouldn't people do that for herb? im sure it'll take a while for decent security systems. Its not like people go into raid stores with the intention to just rob one thing they just start grabbing shit and take off. And people steal liquor from grocery stores ALL THE TIIIIME im sure if they DID have it on store shelves people would be stealing it. But im pretty sure it wont be in stores.
     

  19. its not illegal to grow if your scripted...i dont know where you live, but im in Southern California. all you need is a script and you can have 6 veging plants and 6 in flowering.



    I dont think they would want us growing because, they KNOW were gonna be dealing it. Meaning the state would be missing out on potential money, because they arn't making the money. Its not like theyre gonna treat it as alcohol manufacturing as in, its only to be grown for personal use. Maybe in ten years or so but right off the bat, i dont think so.


    That whole kid issue is a good point, i didn't think of it that way..



    But as for the robbery thing im pretty sure they would be keeping it in a specialized store like the existing clinics. you just wouldn't need a script. Im pretty sure it would take a few years [if any] to put in on store shelves, And people would be breaking into those places just how they do homes, or stores that close up at night. Not ALL the "clinics" are gonna be 24/7....I wonder if they would even be called clinics anymore.


    It would be WAY better in a LOT of ways but i think for the first few years its gonna cause allot of complications, and new laws, and protests, Think of all the people that are FOR prohibition theres gonna be just as many people going AGAINST the change, whether its "medical" or not. People are gonna be pissed.
     
  20. Yea I've heard of stupid people goin on beer runs to drink it, but *anything* valuable has the potiential to be stolen. If it were to be fully legalized, the street value would drop dramatically, and the only people who would steal it are the stupid guys who want to smoke for free instead of cheap lol.

    With it being fully legalized, people would be able to buy some seeds from a flower store, home depot, w/e, and grow that in their back/front yard while their neighbor can do the same thing.

    Right now, people are getting robbed of their bud by the DEA in decriminalized states; and people in non decriminalized are being robbed by local authorities.
     

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