I beat up a purse snatcher tonight

How do you assume they're the brightest and most diligent workers? For one, they're not workers, they're capitalists. They accumulate millions of dollars in profit by hiring (exploiting) the labor of others and paying them less than the value they create. In fact, the modern day ruling elite no longer even produce wealth, they simply waltz into a random company, fire everyone, close down all the factories, and make off with billions of dollars, destroying the livelihoods for hundreds of thousands of people, knowing full well that the Democrats as well as the Republicans will bail them out to the tune of trillions of dollars, all while making the working class pay for it. You call that HARD WORK?!

 

Good shit OP, but anyways I got some hate to monger or something like that.

Are you 16 and going through your 'badass' phase? Just wondering.

 

I don't know how the fuck he can blame capitalism for some dip shit getting his ass kicked. Are people really stupid enough to think purse snatchers are taking that money to put food on the table.

To everyone saying OMG what if he got hurt, who gives a shit if he got hurt. He didn't and if he did then thats the risk of living like a thief. Maybe in the UK but here they wouldn't give a fuck about the purse snatcher.

 

Shiiit. When did you make this up?

 

This thread is just attracting the most reactionary and anti-social sections of the middle class who think their opinions are unbiased, when in reality every poorly constructed sentence they spew out reflects definite class interests.

You think he just randomly decided to steal someones purse because he felt like it? Come on, think about it for a minute. Someone would have to be victimized themselves in order for them to take measures like this that could end them up in jail. It's no coincidence that unemployment and poverty are at the highest levels since the great depression. And it's no coincidence that the poor are being singled out, victimized, and morally judged while the super rich are laughing all the way to the bank.

No, It's called being conscious of your motherfucking surroundings. Political demoralization doesn't make you mature, it makes you a mindless dupe. Ever heard something called theoretical insight? Cause and effect? The scientific method?

 

[quote name='Industrial']This thread is just attracting the most reactionary and anti-social sections of the middle class who think their opinions are unbiased, when in reality every poorly constructed sentence they spew out reflects definite class interests.



[quote name='Industrial'] You think he just randomly decided to steal someones purse because he felt like it? Come on, think about it for a minute. Someone would have to be victimized themselves in order for them to take measures like this that could end them up in jail. It's no coincidence that unemployment and poverty are at the highest levels since the great depression. And it's no coincidence that the poor are being singled out, victimized, and morally judged while the super rich are laughing all the way to the bank.





Unrealistic dribble.

 

How so? Maybe you should make some points before coming to a two word conclusion that lacks substance. It's easy to disagree, but harder to prove a point.

What Industrial said is accurate, the disparity exists when considering what would be a viable solution to the problem. Obviously Communism is doomed to failure and Captialism creates losers in the system, but the fact remains, it (cap) is the most efficient system of rationing and distributing wealth in a free market economy. It isn't optimal, but its the best tool we have in the toolbox until some revolutionary economist comes up with a better way of appropriating output.

Back to the topic, you can't rationalize defending the thief for stealing that purse because he MIGHT have been facing serious financial problems or living on the street. You know why? Because the chance exists that he is a psychotic fuck. Don't make assumptions, act only on what you see. And what was witnessed here was an aggressor overpowering a woman incapable of defending herself and taking what was rightfully hers-- maybe the victim in the encounter was struggling to make ends meet? Respect is due to the person who took it upon himself to help somebody when they needed it. Though it sounds like the 'help' was excessive, only the OP knows how hard he hit the thief. Well, maybe the thief too....for a few seconds

 

QFT. Just because the thief may have been struggling, that in no way justifies the actions he took. I wonder how industrial would feel if that fellow had broken into his house and taken his valuables? Also, although we are currently in a time of economic unrest, that doesn't make it right to steal. There were people snatching purses when America was at its prime and there will always be lowlife assholes stealing from innocent people, regardless of the economy. Making this into a game of political finger pointing is useless.

 

Good points pcdrummer.

That's wrong. You have to be well versed in the history of the Marxist movement before concluding that communism is doomed to failure. Consider the fact that the Russian Revolution of 1917 under Lenin and Trotsky was the only genuine socialist revolution which brought the working class to political power, exercising democratic control over economic life through the workers' councils.

However, Russia during the time was the most backward country in Europe, had little productive capacity, old and inefficient technology, a 98% peasant population, it was culturally backwards, and had a working class of four or five million workers, in addition to still having nobility rule the country. Despite all that, the working class still managed to take power. Immediately, the surrounding capitalist countries attempted to overthrow the socialist government by force, but all failed against Trotsky's Red Army.

The Russian Revolution ended up being isolated from the rest of the world, surrounded by hostile capitalist countries. As a consequence, a bureaucratic layer was created within the party, which struggled against the revolution and eventually, when Lenin died in 1924, seized political power with Stalin as a figurehead. It degenerated and deformed until capitalism was eventually restored in 1991, and the descendants of the Stalinist bureaucrats liquidated the soviet state, privatized state industries into their own pockets, and became a new capitalist class.

You see, the Marxists intended for the revolutions to begin in the most advanced capitalist countries simultaneously via an international revolutionary party. Lenin and Trotsky had envisioned that the Russian Revolution would inspire the German working class to do the same, which would then spread across the world. However, when Stalin came to power he abandoned efforts for international revolution and tried to build "socialism in one country".

It was the betrayals of the Stalinists and 'socialism in one country', not communism, that was doomed for failure. The Russian revolution was about 100 years ahead of its time. In the 21st century, with the unprecedented globally integrated character of the world economy, and the downward spiral of the living conditions of the working class around the world, and an international revolutionary party to conduct these revolutions simultaneously -- the Socialist Equality Party, there will be an international communist revolution.

 

If this is true you are awesome for it
Though spitting was a little fucked, even if it was a theif..
he was honestly probably just trying to get his next meal and he did something very wrong and deserved the shit beat out of him IMO.. but spit in the face

 

I'm well versed in the history, believe me, I just scored full marks on an international exam surrounding the info you brought up. Stalin didn't abandon his efforts, he consolidated his power instead of attempting to expand the Soviet/Communist sphere of influence prematurely as Lenin and Trotsky had. The formation of Soviet satilliete states in Eastern Europe and the emergence of THE COLD WAR prior to and following the power vacuum incurred by WW2 are evidence of this. Anyway, I'm not concerned with how revolution brought the proletariat to power under the banner of communism by inhumane means (and their subsequent corruption shortly thereafter), or why the globalization of the ideology failed, because it is the ideology that is intrinsically flawed-- it operates contrary to human nature and thus can never function on a large scale. You need to understand the economics behind it to appreciate how the reality of an efficiently functioning communist society/economy run by altruistic politicians is nothing but a pipe dream. Read Animal Farm, lmao

Please don't turn this into a Com/Cap debate....

 

^This, exactly! The guy stole a woman's purse. That's it, end of story. It doesn't matter if he was down on his luck, poor, or if he was loaded and just bored for that matter. He decided to cross a line. I'm a poor person and I've had some desperate times, but that doesn't mean it gives me the right or justification to go and break the law. It's really pathetic that some of you are attempting to justify the thief's actions.

While the OP may have gone a little too far, at least he did something. I would bet that 80% of people wouldn't do anything in that situation. I commend you, OP, for standing up to this asshole.

And lets not get off track...this isn't a debate about politics. If you guys want to do that, there's an area in these forums for that. You shouldn't do it in a thread about a purse-snatcher, though.

 

Such arguments are a result of political demoralization, not theoretical insight. You don't even understand what socialism is, based on your "economy run by altruistic politicians" remark.

Socialism is a system in which economic decisions are made democratically by the working class, where production is run on the basis of meeting social need i.e real demand, not to enrich a handful of parasitic elites.

The fact is, capitalist society is breaking down, it was inevitable. It outlived its historic mission, it's obsolete, it's based on a series of internal contradictions which lead to systemic crises, financial parasitism, imperialism and war. The capitalist governments are using the financial meltdown as a pretext for carrying out a massive assault on the living standards of the working class.

We don't have to "convince" anyone to fight. There will be no shortage of struggles in the period immediately ahead. The question is of the political program to which those struggles will be conducted. The population will be drawn to the perspective of socialism based on the outcome of their own life experiences.

We Marxists base our perspective not on our hope for a morally better system, or that it's a "good ideal", but based on the realization of the inevitability of it and to politically prepare the masses for it.

 

all these stories sound soooooooo fake lol

but props if its true i guess

but really what if the dude turned around and shanked your ass ?
being a good Samaritan isn't worth dying

i would let the dude steal the bitches purse no problem lol

 

No, he is not necessarily a victim. I still wonder what you base the idea that a thief is actually purchasing necessities and not spending it on something he just wanted. I know plenty of dickheads that would steal to feed their OC addiction that they chose to take part in. It is not rich peoples fault for failing to take care of them. Yes, rich people have some responsibility to the poor but they don't owe them everything. I don't think we will ever agree on that point as you continually blame the wealthy for not solving other peoples problems. Poor people robbing other poor people is not solving anything. (by poor people I mean middle class and actually poor as they are all poor compared to the elite)

 

Some bum once purse jacked my mom, right after payday too. I wish I would have been there to throw a beating down,

I applaud your efforts

 

Lol at the little "revolutionary" in this thread trying to defend impoverished citizens who CHOOSE to commit criminal acts. You're void of any economical knowledge, and for some reason are caught up with your own little illusions of grandeur.

If you knew anything about economics AT ALL, you'd realize a truly communist nation is doomed to fail. There has never been, and never will be an exception to that rule. If you actually choose to believe otherwise, you are a fool.

 

your the man.