Hey I found this on making fem seed's in high times, i copy/pasted this article(would be too lazy to write it out myself,lol). Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art. Just like art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have used gibberellic acid, pH stress, light stress, and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds. All of these methods are harsh on the plants, and some, like the gibberellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner, more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds. Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, rather than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher pH, some a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like much less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can't treat every plant the same way. It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown the same strains for close to a decade, and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant. I named this new method "Rodelization," after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered. To me, a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male-banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop, or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress. In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed, and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent. For the next phase, you need to have a separate crop that's already 2 1/2 weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut all the fans in the growroom down. Then take a very fine paintbrush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success. I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time (two crops), but is completely organic, and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you're one of those growers who's never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method. You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating. The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, unpollinated females after they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later, you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.
yes this is a good article i had an issue from many years ago that explained the Rodelization process. i think they print this thing once a year at least. good lookin out for those willing to learn about breeding fem seed's though + rep for that. i was actually planning on using this method as an experiment to cross breed a new strain with my Afghan with my L.A. .... that's another journal one day though. cheer's
you think this would work on an already femmed autoflower? i posted a thread before i read this and im trying to figure out if it would work.
well, its a question that is a bit complicated for me to explain, but basically yes you can, but the seeds would never be even close to ripe given that you have an auto flower the flowering periode is not long enough to produce fully ripe seeds. the other thing to consider is that any feminized seeds are going to be a bit more sensitive to hermies, so by taking a plant that is sensitive to hermie and stressing it to produce seeds, you would be adding eeven more of the hermie gene to the offspring, and thats given that your seeds fully ripen, which chances are slim
im just going to do it the old fashioned way and get some reg auto seeds. ill end up stressing myself out trying to stress some plants and they die lol. Thanks for replying
agreed, but some seeds might become ripe and thats a very good thing. all plants are sensitive to hermie. it happens due to stress. Yes, but thats a chance you have to take if you want femmed seeds. Most of the time a plant turnes hermie because it was stressed out by a novice grower. this process isn't that hard. All it says you have to do is let the plant grow longer than usual and it will stress itself out. either way, if the process doesn't work then you end up with some couch lock weed. on another note.... Does anyone know anybody who tried this method out to see if it actually works if you leave the femmed plant alone? will it actually creat male sacks and attempt to pollinate itself?
it will produce pollen but won't be able to self pollinate due to no time for viable seeds to grow,ideal pollination is at 3 weeks not 10-11 thus the flowers don't have adequate time for the seeds to fully mature.
True, but some breeders work hard to make it less sensitive. Most plants hermie due to stress, however there is also genetic traits which the hermie gene is carried over. The trait is most present in land races due to open polination which in most cases the hermies are not weeded out resulting in most of the seeds possessing the hermie trait. I have found this to be most common in Thai, and South American varieties. It is a chore to breed this trait out, however it is possible with some time, effort, and careful selections. Yes, however in many cases, the pollen is sterile and will not produce seeds. This is not true with all female seeds, it all depends on the process they used to create the female seeds.
how do u figure the seeds wouldnt be ripe lol then how do u figure they made autoflower seeds to begin with matter of fact i do it on a regular basis.So research a little bit better ive been growen for 16 yrs.Knowledge is the key my friend cheers
I think I have put in alot of research, on many areas of breeding. Female auto-flowering strains are produced by using pollen from a selected reversed female on another selected female in the next run b/c once they reversed the female there is usually not enough time left to produce viable seeds. I personally do not work with Ruderalis genetics for I feel they lack in potency, but I know personally several breeders/hobby breeders that do. Seeds take a minimum of 4 weeks, and in certain strains can take up to 6 weeks to be fully mature. As for seeds from female plants grown from fem seeds, in many cases the process used has rendored any male parts that form sterile, which means they produce pollen but it is not viable and will not produce seeds. I suggest you do more research yourself before calling out others who ask questions on the subject of breeding and producing seed stock.
but it should be enough time to make a seed because nature has it as a "survival switch". If it didn't make any seeds, there would be no point of nature making the survival switch in the first place. I don't know . I'm confused on what you are actually saying.
So I have 5 plants in my cloz. 1 Skunk, 4 Bubbledust. The skunk got banannas on two branches that have since been removed, but not before pollination I was told that the Skunk which was the pollinator will have the seeds that have the hermie trait but the Bubbledust will have feminized seeds which are a cross-breed Skunkybubbledust is this correct? Thanks for any advice in advance!
I'm new but just from reading journals/sick plants I picked up a few questions about fem seeds. 1.) Wouldn't it be possible to just screw with the light cycle enough that it flips out and hermies? Wouldn't this be preferred since it's pry the greenest way? 2.) If you reveg a hermie plant will it bloom as a hermie again? Likewise, would cloning a non herm portion of the plant grow up to be a herm? 3.) Would the seed from a herm plant effectively be identical in genetics to the mother plant?
That just made my day cannot thank you enough! Do you by chance know where the strain identification thread is? I was told there is one somewhere here>
I love the Rodelizing method and have researched the topic in depth for years, if you guys dont mind, this is my thoughts on the subject.... first off this process is for making viable pollen with fem chromosomes only, NOT SEEDS, that is after the fact. for a real understanding of how to produce GOOD fems it all starts here, but you kinda got to flip your thinking around about stresses. the basic thought in therory is that Rodelizing IS NOT A STRESS, its a built in response mechanizm, just like going into flower, that is compleatly natural and should be looked at as a reproductive option that the plant has in it genetics, we just offer it the opportunity to use it. This process produces far less hermie offspring than chemical or light stress. A lot of things that cause what we call stress are 100% natural occurances if one plant does well with 1/2 cup of water a day and another droops than the issue is not plant stress its plant reaction and plants that react quickly to stress and give up the bannana pollen sacs are usually VERY poor candidates for feminizing and will produce more than acceptable hermie rates. light stressing is bad, this to me is a true stress cuz the plant would never be subject to this naturaly. Rodelization takes place naturally and every true land race type strain has done it in many generations. you can use this method every 4 generations of breeding without too much worry of hermies but always keep a close eye out. I like the idea of starting the target pollen producer into flower 5 weeks earlier than the rest of the females you want to pollenate and just let it happen. there is speculation that the bannanas pollen dont last as long as the reg pollen. I believe that when its fresh its more viable than reg pollen cuz I have seen it produce HUGE amounts of seeds. any way just my experience and a different thought pattern to concider.