How are Americans pioneers?

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  1. #1 cjbeast, Jun 20, 2010
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    Just smoked some OG Kush and this shit makes me THINK. It's making me constantly go off tangent though when I'm thinking of a topic for my essay. I was thinking how Americans were pioneers cause they established themselves as an independent country and went off to think about how racist people are. No relation whatsoever. Anyways, this is what I have though off the past 15 min.

    Pioneers because:
    Establishment of independence of America
    Landing on the moon
    Edit:Jackson Pollock (Ignited popularity of abstract images) not Andy Warhol although he did create a radical type of art than is to this day well known and practiced.
     
  2. #2 Postal Blowfish, Jun 20, 2010
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    well, we also had slaves. and for awhile there, we weren't allowing any new states unless we could allow two at a time (one slave state, one non-slave state). then we had that disagreement after lincoln got elected. pretty much this entire time having also been killing the natives on the land we bought from people who really never had any honest right to claim it, we went forward from that well... killin natives and destroying their way of lives in the name of replacing it with our version.

    then we invented all kinds of technology that slowly killed the way of life we replaced the native with in the west, became an industrial nation over time, and got involved with a few global skirmishes. then we had decades of paranoia about communism also known more commonly as the "cold war."

    more recently we all collectively decided that living according to our means was a bad thing, and that greed is a good thing. that corporations are honest and should be treated like honest individuals, and for some reason we were surprised to learn we could not let corporations regulate themselves on the buddy system. no doubt a few ancient quotes from foreigners who were probably fascists (amirite) about corporations could apply here, but why quote commies.

    we did put a flag on the moon and we did eventually fix that whole slave thing, although it took a hundred years to get those people any meaningful rights. good, except we still discriminate against gays, so it seems we didn't really learn from the experience.

    all in all, compared to the nations of europe (who are centuries older than us), we arguably haven't done shit as bad as the crusades or the inquisition. but that is arguable, and who knows how much time we'll have in the future to catch up.

    e: in consideration of your titular question, we were pioneers compared to europeans in the context of the new world in that we were "discovering" new lands to inhabit. in truth we did not really discover them, someone before us did. somehow most of the things we have to show for our history aren't really anything new, they tend to be previously imagined or implemented ideas. our revolution does provide a good example for the timeframe, and i don't disagree with considering that one area you could focus on if you're serious about this.
     
  3. Tobacco is the red mans revenge against the white man.

    Thats all i can think of right now lol, but its true isnt it.
     
  4. #4 cjbeast, Jun 20, 2010
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    I didn't exactly mean to post events that happened in American. But you are correct, those events did in fact happen in U.S. It still does to this day(Racism). We constantly are in need to blame races on certain events even though it has no relation to the person.
    Example: December 7, 1941 Pearl Harbor (Born on this day :) but also :( .....)
    Reaction: Blame Asian Americans particularly Japanese. Frowned upon even though they didn't do anything.

    Example 2: September 11, 2001
    Reaction: Anyone that looks in relation to middle eastern decent are frowned upon.

    Fuuuuck, SEE, this has no relation to how American's are pioneers! Keep going off tangent :(
     
  5. Americans just take what was popular in Europe a few months ago and try and take credit for me.
     
  6. I think "pioneers" refers to westward expansion
     
  7. dude, we are in NO way pioneers.

    we havnt done a damn thing differently than any other country, most of our ideas have been stolen or reworked and put to better use.
     

  8. Really? I was getting the impression over here in the UK that our culture's slowly being smothered by US culture, or I guess it should just be called "western culture" now, as if that isn't an oxymoron.
     
  9. #9 Carl Weathers, Jun 20, 2010
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    I know that the pioneers raped Indians and got syphilis surprise.

    Ok the article I tried linking is dead. But yeah apparently that lead to the spread of syphilis throughout Europe. The natives being largely immune to the disease. And the Europeans brought lots of disease to the natives. This has nothing to do with your essay question but it's probably a good way to sidetrack the teacher while you sneakily fill up lines on the page.
     
  10. American pioneers created the freest land in the world.

    However, the forefather's view of how America should exist has been... well, decimated, the the very people who are supposed to uphold individual freedom.

    I'll say it again. The government exists solely to protect its citizens from physical violence and force, be it from criminals or foreign invaders - anyone who initiates physical force against another. But for some reason, the government officials "feel" that it is necessary to butt in where they don't belong, like the economy. You can blame businessmen and you can blame corporations for all these economic hardships, but the reality is that all the regulations and sanctions imposed by our lovely leaders are the reasons why the country is going to shit. Most people denounce capitalism and its followers as evil, but no one understands that capitalism (in the truest meaning of the system) is the only politico-economic system where people can be free to exist as an individual. If you don't think so, try living and working in Russia or another socialist wasteland, where you and your property belong to your brothers, who belong to the State.

    I love that America gets shit on for its virtues, being a wealthy nation and a producer, yet all the other countries in the world think that North America owes them, just because they're unable to prosper as the States have. Again though, we are living in the times of a mixed economy, with elements of socialist altruism still affecting what should be a system of "laissez-faire" capitalism (which means, hands off!). People have to be able to deal with one another without being compelled to, or being forced to cooperate at gunpoint. Sadly, this is what it's come down to. Why?

    All this bullshit about the "greater good" and the "common good" is preposterous. People need to live their lives to the fullest, not sacrificing themselves to the "good will" of their brothers, and vice versa. Remember, no one holds a right to your life and your work except YOU. Tell me, who is the "common good" common to? TELL ME. The weak? The ones who are unable, and expect to sit by while the hardworking people provide for them? Moochers? Why designate arbitrary power to a handful of people who feel they know what's best for the people?

    If people all acted selfishly; that is, in their own interests but not at the expense of others and lived their lives rationally and logically, then America would be what the forefathers envisioned its greatness to be. It's likely not possible to achieve such drastic change immediately, if ever... but if you start living this way and thinking this way, then there is hope for the next man to consider these views... and so on. It's a slow process, but so is the one destroying this country from the inside so I'm certain it can be countered if people would just THINK for themselves.
     


  11. can you please explain this a bit further, i just can quite grasp it as it is now.
     
  12. I feel like this thread and the "We are Just like Ants" thread are one in the same. Some bloke gets too stoned and thinks he's the next Nietzsche.
     
  13. Haha, I'm not sure if this is true but didn't we basically invent our own system of government even though it is obviously based off the British government?

    Either way we were able to create an entire new country based off principles and values of our citizens. It's also a system that has yet to be changed in the 400 years it's been placed into effect, give or take some amendments.
     
  14. Please explain that last one.
     
  15. i think academically, it would be better to move away focus on 'pioneers and pioneering to manifest destiny and western expansion.
     
  16. We built the modren city and skyscraper real cars that were cheep and affordible the small little cultisacks watch america the story of us. all sorts of stuff
     
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  18. and the worst response of the day goes to you. you do realize we were the first on the moon right? first to explore the west, first to drop a nuclear bomb, so in what way are we not pioneers?
     
  19. we're pioneers in technology and a life of ease

    but there's practically nothing socioculturally compelling about us
     
  20. WetHorse this country doesn't keep getting less free and decimated. This country never was free to begin with, so it gets better and better in my eyes. Up until the 20th century we enslaved people, killed natives, had our air core do the first ever bombing of a civilian only city, and promised free land to many only to have Army officials sell said land to railroad companies.

    People act like our American values are going to crap when we never had any. Hell and Lincoln didn't free the slaves, the emancipation proclimation holds up just as well as the marijuana tax stamps of the early 20th century.

    Our country has always been corrupt, and we keep getting better, not worse. In my opinion if we axe the patriot/victory acts, change the 14th so people quit dropping babies here, plkus reperations(They founded the country, why not give them enough to open a buisness and hopefully get rid of a few ghettos, boosting the national economy.) and bring the Bush adminstration up on war crimes.
     

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