which is better. obviously its turismo, but forza puts up a decent fight. I like everything about gt 5 minus the visual car customization (lets be honest its pretty much non existant) and the damn time that it takes to navigate the menus with small load times between each screen. shit pisses me off. forza excels in car customization and online market of cars, aswell as car damage (visible), but fails in the graphics department. Gt5 makes forza 4 look like an xbox 1 game.