First time grower Nutrients Question

Discussion in 'Growing Organic Marijuana' started by 2Water, Nov 19, 2022.

  1. Hey everyone,
    Ig this is in the wrong place, forgive me. I'm a long time smoker, soon to be first time grower. I'm going to be running 4 5gal fabric pots in a 3x3 with a 240w led. I chose to go the living soil route and ordered Down to Earth 3-3-3, Rose and Flower mix, and Acid Mix. Plan to use Roots organic original soil and worm castings, with weekly spraying of coconut water.
    Any comments of my choices? DTE state 1 to 2 Tbsp per gallon of media, so 40 Tbsp. Plan would be to mix 20 Tbsp of 3-3-3, and 10 each of the Rose & Flower/ Acid mixes.
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  2. #2 Headhunterpipes, Nov 19, 2022
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    The companies who make these potting soils, call it potting soils or soil less soil. From my understand they pretty much up made the name potting soil, soil less soil up.
    Normally there is very little to zero soil in the bag of potting soil.
    I don't care what they call it, the important part is we know what we are growing in .
    Organic, is from living matter dead plants and animals.
    Organic = nutrients , Potting soils ( dead plants and animals or there poop ) bagged is pretty much compost, which is nutrients.
    Dirt, soil, earth = minerals
    Your plant needs both.
    But there is one more thing to be said, compost retains water. dried organic matter soaks up and retains water differently then soil .
    Allot of new growers experience root rot because the Potting soil retains more water then soil ......
    I always add sand and pea gravel
    About 50% of all dirt is silica, one thing silica does is makes the plants stronger and more resilient to disease like powdery mildew .

    Diatomaceous earth is 80 to 90 % silica. I would mix in some food grade Diatomaceous earth add it into your bagged soil less soil .
    DO not breath in this dust MASK UP. the dust is like micro Raser blades.
    I would add some dirt back yard,,, soil/earth into your grow medium too .

    Organic ingredients including bat guano, Premium earth worm castings, fish bone meal, feather meal, Green Sand, mycorrihzae, Glacial rock Dust, soybean meal, humic acid.


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  3. Thanks for the very detailed and elaborate response. I have been lurking and "researching" for a long time. I plan on "making" my own compost and "build" my own soil down the road, but figured Roots Organic had a good enough name and reputation to use that to start with.
    My question was mostly with my choice of the 3 moxes from Down To Earth. I like the mix or ingredients from the 3, but was looking to see it there is anything "better."
    I'll definitely need to add some DE, for some reason I thought it was solely a PM type thing. Thanks again!
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  4. i mix a few different potting soils. Better to have a blend in my opinion. You shouldnt need to add much if any nutrients in the first few weeks.
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  5. Thanks, I was planning to top dressings every 4 weeks along with the weekly addition of coconut water. With the 3 mixed fro DTE, do you think I am missing any key micro/macro nutrients?
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  6. Ive never heard of anyone giving coconut water. The 3-3-3 fertilizer should be fine until you get to flower. Then you want to switch to something more like 1-6-6.
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  7. Thanks 420JoeBlow, from what I've read coconut water can be beneficial for root development, and has a ton of amino acids and other goodies for the plants.... supposedly.
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  8. Seems overkill. Roots grow just fine with dirt and water.
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  9. Good to know, save me money to exclude it then. Thanks again
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  10. I’m very familiar with using Roots Organic soil. All by itself it’s great for starting seeds. My favorite way to amend it and make it cheaper is by adding compost and pine bark mulch. 50% Roots, 25% compost, 25% bark mulch will work just fine. Castings can be subbed for compost.Add a tbs per gallon of the 3-3-3 or rose and flower if you’d like to. The acid mix is likely not a good idea but it does lead me to ask if you have access to a water report? Usually can be found for free.

    Read about cytokinins and plant growth to better understand the use of coconut water.
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  11. I’m sorry man but I’ve seen you post this several times now. I think you may want to clean up some definitions here.

    Soil is a combination of sand, silt, clay and organic matter. Typically it will not drain well enough for container gardening. You are correct that most bagged potting soils are not actually soil in the technical sense.

    Minerals are nutrients. There are (3) nutrients which are not minerals - Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen. Soils, compost, and potting soils are all capable of containing every nutrient a plant needs.
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  12. Does Compost Turn Into Soil? Here's All You Need To Know - Planting Geek
    Apr 9, 2021Compost won't turn into soil. It doesn't have a parent rock that gives it either the foundational clay, silt, or sandy texture. When you add compost into the soil, it becomes part of the soil's organic structure. Soil organic material makes at most five percent of most soils. Through the process of decomposition, compost eventually turns ...

    One common misconception is that compost eventually turns into soil. Compost and soil are strikingly similar to one another, and therefore, it can sometimes be very difficult for people to differentiate them. It is imperative to note that compost does not become soil. However, it remains an essential ingredient in healthy soil.
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  13. I’m in SIPs of course but I look for a “mix” rather than a “soil”, which is usually Peat based.

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