I'm growing 1 plant from some bagseeds. I was wondering if 4 30w cfl (2700k) and 4 30w (6400k) bulbs would work well. Is it too much? Should I get less lights? Money is an issue. And does the have to be 6500k to trigger floweing? With these 8 lights I figure it'll cost around $30-40. Edit: plant will be around 3"
i would not even waist my time bro..it's bagseed..you have a 1/3 chance of it being female.. the other thirds are male and hermie.. save your cash bro..grow this one seed outside and gain some growing experience first, then go indoor.. with good seed's or fem's seed's that you know are worth spending money on..
If you go to Lowes you can buy like packs of I think 6 23W 6500K or 2700K CFLs for like $8 then you just need to buy the clamping lamps for like $8/each. Home Depot sells 27W 5000K CFLs but I cant really remember their pricing on them and I think they only sell them in packs of 2 and those cost like $2.50 a pack, the light clamp costs the same though. Theres not a chance youre going to spend only $40 on a grow even with 4 light fixtures youre looking at like $36 right off the bat You should keep in mind youll need nutrients, soils, a ph meter or testing kit, a timer, possibly an extension cord/power strip and/or small fan, and depending what your living situation is, some sort of odor neutralizer and thats if you just grow it in say like a closet. At the minimum Im thinking youll need like $100 to get going. Growing is more of an investment than an easy way to get "free" weed. Nonsense. The past 4 plants Ive grown from bagseed all turned out to be 100% female which by your claim is like a 1% chance of happening.
1/3 does not eqaul 1% your math is nonsense...lol try apx 30% or 33.333% to be exact...lol wooow! out of regular non feminized seed's you get either females, males or hermies.. so yes 33.33% is dead on..i learned this math around the 3rd grade.. you were lucky...it does happen..casino's are built around it as a matter of fact... you mean your only 4 plant's..lol
33% of mj genetics are NOT hermies. maybe 10% or less. if your 33% were truly accurate, of the 15 plants i've started in the past few months 5 would be male, 5 would be hermies, and 5 would be female. i've only had 1 male, zero hermies, and that 3 have yet to show sex yet because they are vegging. i built my light setup for $20 +/- (bulbs not included). the lights you were planning on would work, but you have the spectrum backwards.....6500k for veg....2700k for flowering. your 4 6500k or 5000k lights will work until flowering. when you switch to flowering you'll want more than just 4 2700k bulbs, unless they are larger wattage bulbs. a good rule of thumb is 150 REAL watts for 1 plant and 50-100 watts for every plant after that. start looking around your house for supplies, you'll be surprised at what you can use. you can get started for less than $40, but that will change after the 1st 2 weeks. after that you'll need nutrients, a timer, and cheap ph meter. don't be discouraged by those telling you it's not worth it. it would be when you have your own homegrown to blaze on wouldn't it? you can start small and add things as needed. it's what i did. don't skimp on your soil, you might regret it. a $20 investment in good soil could save you hours of hair pulling, and frustration from time release ferts burning up your smoke before you get to. most people here are here to help......while others might not see the point, they forget, they were a beginner once with probably the same issues. i know i was.
ok for one,the dude was telling me that 1/3 was 1%... lol that is a serious lack of math...lol it's a 33.33% chance! key word chance!!!!!!! cha chhha chance!!!with most bag seed's yes this is true.. with bought seed's(seed bank) it's almost alway's 50/50 chance! they are breed and backcrossed..!!! bag seed is usually not...unless it's really killer stuff you bought from someone growing breed seed's!!!(seed bank) don't sit there and talk trash when you obviously don't understand breeding practices and how you get those seed's(bagseed's) to begin with.. or how they were breed...this has everything to do with males , females and getting hermies in your crop homie! people have a 1 and 1 bajillion chance to win the lotto to, but people still win all the time now dont they ...it's called chance!a percentage of chance! you two noob's are thinking ratio!In mathematics, a ratio expresses the magnitude of quantities relative to each other. Specifically, the ratio of two quantities indicates how many times the first quantity is contained in the second[1] and may be expressed algebraically as their quotient.[2][3] Example: For every Spoon of sugar, you need 2 spoons of flour ( 1:2 ) ...lol chance is a mojar difference.. understand now? also why are both you guy's hung on that anyway..my first post clearly pushes him to grow the one seed outdoor's and gain some knowledge and experience first! before spending money he does not have! i also said he should save his money and then do an indoor grow with seed bank seed's so he A, knows what the f'k he's doing first B, does not waste his money on a game of chance with having no experience ever growing before anyway! geeez...can't you read! that's damn good advise!
Your grasp of what PROBABILITY is, and how to calculate it is dismal at best. (1/3) x (1/3) x (1/3) x (1/3) = 0.0123456789 x 100 = 1.23456789% In case you dont understand the simple math, 1.23456789% is the chance of getting 4 females from bagseed since according to you theres "a 1/3 chance of getting a female from bagseed." Your credibility in the field of genetics, and simple, elementary probability and reasoning is seriously lacking. Its cute how youre claiming people are "talking trash" when youre the one going off on a tangent, and incorrect one at that, about ratios and genetics you have no knowledge, scientific or statistical information on.
i never even said probability...i said chance! about 500 times wich also mean's luck, or randomness...go back to wiki and re read.. and why are you multiplying by 4 factors when there is only 3...male ..female ...and hermie...that's 3 bro...lol not 4 your math is still jacked up ahahaha i have plenty of experience bro and you know nothing of my breeding...quit trying to fake it..lol hahaha you got 1 un successfull grow homie!! i got bud's as big as a grown man's arm..why not go look at my turvy grow..lol it was just for kick's...you will see..lol i breed awesome gentic's and my proof is all over gc... good luck trying to bs folk's new guy!
Probability = Chance Amazing...Your sheer level of ignorance and immaturity is shocking. You claim theres a 1 out of 3 probability that bagseed produces female. The 4 comes from the number of events or trials that I have experienced personally with bagseed. To find the probability of getting a female 4 trials in a row we take the probability of the outcome which is (1/3) and raise it to the power of the number of trials or (1/3)^4. The resulting number multiplied by 100 is the probability percentage that a certain outcome will occur in 4 trials. To say that growing with bagseed is a "waste of time" is nonsense.
ok chance is the "keyword" i get that, but you're still wrong. most "bagseed" is probably grown outdoors. any grower worth a shit will pull his males if growing indoors, unless they are selectively breeding (which i am currently doing), so your assumption of me is wrong also. what he's growing was probably pollinated the old fashoined way.there is only 1 way to find out. genetics are genetics. plants are no different than humans in basic sexing structure. humans can be hermies too. the difference is a plant can be FORCED (stressed) into hermaphodism. they aren't "born" that way. their offspring could be hermies though, but they could also be male, or female with no sign of the hermie trait. that being said, the chance of it being a true hermie are at 10% or less. i'd say he has 45/45 shot a either a male or fem. 5% @ a true hermie that wasn't stressed into it. back to the topic at hand though.......no point in killing it until you sex it. it's experience and it's useful knowledge.
Im bored in class right now trying to teach some elementary mathematics to someone who thinks that chance and probability are totally different and trying to show how a simple calculation was reached isnt "jacked up math." Every day I loose a little faith in the future of civilization.
my ignorance huh? your experience is nill...and does not factor into real life bro...to the reast of the world you are no one neither is your experience growing 4 lowsey plant's..your super ignorant in this case..or mentaly retarded...DEET DEE DEE! and chance has about 6 meaning's according to the old dic...lol luck, randomness are two of them, yes your correct for once probability is one out of those 6 possible meaning's..lol i did not say growing bag seed was a waste of time.. seeing how you cannot read very well i'm going to copy and paste something for you..this will be the third time..! ok.. are you ready? huh? brace your f'n self homie cause this comes from my very first post.. save your cash bro..grow this one seed outside and gain some growing experience first, then go indoor.. with good seed's or fem's seed's that you know are worth spending money on.. i was saying growing it indoor's and spending money he does not have is a waste of time!!! lol ahaaa then my later post.. also why are both you guy's hung on that anyway..my first post clearly pushes him to grow the one seed outdoor's and gain some knowledge and experience first! before spending money he does not have! i also said he should save his money and then do an indoor grow with seed bank seed's so he A, knows what the f'k he's doing first B, does not waste his money on a game of chance with having no experience ever growing before anyway! geeez...can't you read! that's damn good advise!
also wanted to state why your math is jacked up.. you can not base it on your trial... say a coin for example..ok 50/50 chance, probability whatever... of getting heads and/or tail's.. i flip a quarter..5 times.. the first 4 times i get head's ok.. the 5th i get tail's.. does not change the probability of a 50/50 chance now does it..there will alway's be that 50/50 chance... understand now bro..is this easy enough for you to understand?
actually no, your wrong...bagseed is any seed that comes from a bag of weed indoor or outdoor does not matter..any bag of weed you buy that you don't know what the geno type's or strain it is...this is known as bagseed...bottom line.. any decent grower pull's his males outdoor too, i've was born and raised on a horticulture nursery by several 60's hippies that were growing god's... i grew indoor , greenhouse, outdoor, soil, soilless, and hydro all the time for 26 years bro.. i pull males when not breeding i was tought this when i was 5-6 i believe,,lol started smokin it at 14.. so what your saying is off...most outdoor farmer's! people who grow hundred's upon hundred's of pound's miss male's..these crosses are not usually managed and are hybrid's with pheno's by the buttload and scambled genetic's alot of the time, wich causes the hermie..that or severe stress on a female.. regardless of chance probability, ratio..it still holds factor no matter what.. see coin post it will shed light on all this matter..the probability still never changes ..it hold's true.. unless the seed comes from managed genetic's..then the probability is 50/50 or a 50% chance of male to female.. say i buy some seed bank seed's.. 10 reg pack ok.. say da purp's so i got 10 reg da purp's seed's.. now knowingly i have a 50/50 chance, probability of getting males to females(mind these are breed and backcrossed properly to begin with!) i grow all 10 and get 8 out of 10 females.. the 50/50 probability was still there it never changes... say i get bag seed, don't know what it is...you have a factor of 3... male female hermie correct? you dont know because you don't know what the genetic's are.. so probability states out of 3 factor's taken into 100% is simply put god damnit! 33.33333%
Looks like its somebody's time of the month Actually youre still completely wrong, sorry. Im out of class and grown weary of trying to decipher your English and to teach a caveman simple probability. Youre narrow mindedness, and your inability to reason are your biggest downfalls. Good luck trying to get that big promotion to Assistant to the Assistant Manager at McDonalds. Take your pissing contest and Datsun elsewhere, grow up and join the rest of society. I deeply sorry for a man who is (in all likeliness) into his late 30s or 40s and still cant do or understand simple mathematics and spends his day scourging the interwebz to show the "reast" of the world how immature and uneducated he really is. And for the record, the probability of getting heads the first 4 tries is 6.25%; not 50%.
actually , im an engineer 9 years now, artist and successfull musician..oh add super grower and custom car builder to that to.. i put it in simple form and you still say im wrong then fine bro.. lol your just dense and believe your trials rule all.. i'm gald to see all your threads in the noob section along with your weak first grow..and newb question's..but wait you know everything.. have you even seen my grow's? my flower room is worth more than your car...lol mcdonald's my ass! lol but i'm gald you seem to know alot about there managment possition's..lol
heh in theory both of you guys are right considering how you're both speaking about two different events... custom280z is speaking of a 1 plant scenario in which case you will have a theoretical 33.333%(1/3) chance in getting a female. Ebola21 on the other hand is correct as well as he is stating the probability(chance) that out of 4(here's where the difference is) plants there is a 123.4%(1/3^4) chance that you'll get a female. EDIT: just another note, to summarize custom280z is speaking about the chance that 1 plant will have while ebola is speaking about a 4 plant grow as opposed to taking account for each individual plant. That being said essentially you're both saying the SAME EXACT THING
omg are you people reading his take on probability? do you even under stand what probability mean's...Probability is a way of expressing knowledge or belief that an event will occur..your calculating end result's goofy.. probability is also a theory..lol you just don'y get it at all in plain simple english you will argue the flip of a coinn not being a 50/50 chance of getting head's or tail's you f'n moron.. so how am i wrong? and i'm 32 beotch! lol i just love the classic's ..the really fast ones..lol and i pick on mustang's with my datsun so f'k u experience does not mean you have to be old.. i've been doing this shit before you were born still! lol
thank you bud maybe he will understand that i'm not wrong..he keep's telling me i'm wrong about probability thoery, when it's simply put..the odds of an outcome before it happen's were he is calculating his end result wich would be his final ratio..not probability..so he's still wrong.. he is not seeing probabilty as a theory of a event before it happen's and he's calculating a final ratio...the probabilty was still there before he ever planted the seed.. he just dont get it.. his end result calc is a final ratio of end result.. he is mistaking final ratio or result for future probability.. not to mention one man growing 4 random seed's getting 4 females is shear f'n luck! and that does not set the standard's for probability thoery in mj seed's for the rest of the world....he's out of this universe he's so wrong..