CHAZ - The Capital Hill Autonomous Free Zone

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Vicious, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. Here we go again hahaha. This never ends! Guns held be the right people actual prevent violence. Name a situation where a right wing protester shot and killed someone. Im sure it has happened but it has got to be extremely rare. I dont have a problem with someone carrying a gun, I have a problem when someone shoots someone with a gun that is innocent. Don't fear the gun fear the person.
     
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  2. Really nice read man. I agree with everything you said and that is rare. I also suggest you check out Ryan Dawson on youtube. He is a historical expert and really has his finger on the pulse of today's society.
     
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  3. Thanks man, glad to know I am not alone in my assessment.

    I am familiar with Ryan but i haven't kept up with him, I'll check him out.

    Do you have any particular source of his i should check out?

     
  4. Sweet always looking for more sources.

     

  5. small groups of highly trained and dedicated guerilla types can wreck an incredible amount of chaos. i think you're on a good trail there. and i agree with you about universities as well. that has been a story for decades. the fraternities and networks built over time with "like-minded" people typically stand the test of time. tenured professors are amongst the worst of the left, far-left indoctrinators.

    great thoughts! cheers!
     
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  6. The most successful indoctrination in the US over the last 20 or so years has been the financial libertarian one. I call it financial because it is not a true libertarian movement, it's a Uber capitalist ideology that has taken the libertarian tag onboard to try and create a different identity for itself. Huge resources have been pumped into it's various institutes and it has succeeded somewhat in packaging freedom and Uber capitalism together in a new fresh package for the young consumers in the US. This is the extreme right and they are backed and funded by the wealthiest corporations in the US such as the Koch brothers.

    The likes of BLM, Antifa, Socialists, even Communists are not your enemy either unless of course you're part of the old wealthy establishment, work for Goldman Sachs, etc...

    I don't even know how to reply to your wild claims about Covid 19 being a conspiracy. That's really stretching it. The virus is very much real and to try and claim it's somehow being used to subdue/control is pure paranoia. Just because some paid shill claims so does not make it real. The right have made Covid a political issue with their attempts to portray it as a nothing threat. Just look at how quickly some US states are now having to lock down again after tripping over each other in their rush to pander to financial interests. Science is being ignored to pursue profit.

    I'm still in the process of listening to Weinstein, he raises some interesting points but I'll reserve judgement for now.
     
  7. Off the top of my head there was a couple of security guards shot by some right wing boogaloo nuts in California during the protests, it's alleged they were attempting to blame it on BLM protesters.
     
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  8. I think this really shows how out of touch you are, and I don't blame you too much since you are not in the U.S. but in the age of the internet, I think you can remedy that.

    You see financial freedom as "extreme right"? I mean, "uber capitalism" is what we call the free market. Corporations do not like competition so if the "indoctrination" isn't in favor of government regulation to stifle competition (and none that I have seen are) then I think you are misreading this too. From what I have heard there are maybe 3-4 "conservative" colleges in the entire country. Could you be more specific about what you are referring to? If it was anywhere near the most successful indoctrination campaign I wonder why this movement has virtually no sway even when the establishment has lost all credibility. I think most of this freedom ideology was spawned by Ron Paul, not any financial backers.

    I didn't make a wild claim about Covid, I hold a suspicion and expressed it as such. I have never heard anyone else make that claim, I just know how these psychopaths operate and have to entertain crazy shit to encompass what they might be willing to do. You have to realize, being the predominant power in the world, the level of psychopaths and what they are willing to do is proportional to the power that can be had. Never said or implied it was fake, but we know "never let a good crisis go to waste".

    You are completely wrong about those movements not being my enemy. I suspect your bias has caused you to misread what is going on, the extreme left will use any movement to further it's goals. They attack science with vigor, they silence dissenting voices, they think logic is patriarchal, they re-write history, they are authoritarian, not liberty minded. How is that not my enemy? If the left had any sense, any foundational principles, they would oust this insane cancer that is taking over their party, education and everything else. I am sure you will try to say it is such a minute segment that concerning myself with this fringe ideology is a waste of time, but the trend is blatant for all to see, as is the danger.

    I look forward to your response, I think this is a dialogue that needs to be had in public.
     
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  9. I think we both have bias here Norse, it is silly to claim we don't. I also think a lot of confusion is caused by the fact we are on different sides of the Atlantic. What means one thing over here (as in my understanding of same) does in a lot of cases mean something totally different to you. When I say extreme right I'm not speaking about the far right (Nazis/White supremacists/nationalists), I'm referring to the likes of the Mises institute, etc...

    The extreme left to me is the likes of pure Communism and traditional anarchists. I'm not referring to the woke brigade/extreme feminism/gender Nazis, etc... These are extreme clowns and fools IMO and are not on the left, they're off the scale, up their own asses loo LA's. These misguided fools are everyone's enemy.

    Politics in the US is pure pantomime with people/groups adopting stances/opinions purely because other people/groups they disagree with on other matters hold the opposite view.

    I'm order for us to continue I think we need to define some understandings we both hold.
    What do you define as Communist? Extreme left?
    Extreme right?
    The left you refer to as having their party taken over?
     
  10. I clearly have a bias, no question.

    Okay we can clear that right up, by extreme left and right, I am referring to exactly what you describe as off the scale.

    When I am talking about Communism I am referring to authoritarian Communism, the idea of identity politics, forced equality, no private property, state godhood, etc I of course have no problem with voluntary social/communism.

    That former is the cancer that is taking hold in the Democrat party.
     
  11. if covid19 is a conspiracy of sorts one of the primary reasons it would be is to cover, hide, obscure the whereabouts of what i currently count is ~12 trillion dollars. where is it going! who's lining their pockets? the "care to Americans" would only account for ~ 1 trillion.

    that's a lot of money on top of all the other trillions unaccounted for.
     
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  12. I'm with you on authoritarian Communism/Socialism, it's poison and far from what real Communism (pure Communism) is.

    I just can't see any real difference between the democrats and republicans, sure the democrats are a little more liberal but apart from a few social policies there's little to no difference between the Obama and Trump regimes or am I missing something?

    I agree that the whole forced gender approach that is now prevalent in the US is ridiculous. I just don't see how these academics can be portrayed as Communist. They are a whole breed onto themselves. I spent some time today listening to the latest Rogan podcast with James Lindsay and it's shocking stuff. If that is an accurate depiction then fuck me. According to Lindsay this has been at play in colleges since the early 80's so it's nothing new.

    I can also see how some are immediately put off by some in BLM being Marxists but I don't have a problem with this, I think it's testament to the honesty and openness of the leadership of BLM that they are so forthright and forward with their views. There's no secret agendas being propagated, it's very transparent.

    Even if you find the concept of Marxism distasteful I don't think you should let this take away from the fact that the core aim of BLM is equality for all. Whilst the fact the group has been slated for being called black lives matter I think people are getting their knickers in a twist. Take Trump's slogan "Make America Great Again", I never interpreted this to mean fuck every other country, just that he wanted to actually make America great again.

    There's also a huge difference between the likes of BLM and the gender brigade IMO. The gender brigade are arguing semantics while BLM are trying to get black people treated like their white brothers and sisters.
     
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  13. Indeed there is a spectrum on the left, but I think it is on them to disavow the lunatics. Weren't the 3 founders of BLM trans black women? I am pretty sure that gender nonsense is apart of that movement. What makes you think they want equality for all? I have never heard them utter anything like that.

    I suppose pure communism means different things to different people, do you see any movement in the U.S. that is pure communism in your opinion?

    Yeah that podcast with Lindsay was crazy. Coming after science/STEM, math, logic etc.



     
  14. One of the 3 founders (Alicia Garza) is gay and married a trans man. All of the leadership have their own pet causes, some chapters are focused on immigrants rights, some on sex workers rights, etc. Trans rights is a focus for some of them, not so much for others.

    To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.
    This is part of their "mission statement" and I think sums up that they want equal rights for all.

    I've come across pure communist groups online but I don't think there's any big pure communist movement in the US or over here in Europe tbh. Most on the left are statists and sadly advocate for more government intervention and regulation.
    Some involved with Antifa would be pure communist in their ideology.
     
  15. This is not a secret or a conspiracy.
    Corporate bailouts, nobody is even trying to hide the fact.
     

  16. well why dont you rail about that instead of railing about being black? not one single person on the planet gives two hoots about your skin color or mine. so you're "black". BFD! wtf that actually means in the 21st century idk anymore?!? according to you, and since i'm caucasion, that makes you and i incompatible and never shall the meeting of our minds occur because of your prejudice.

    that is what you are accomplishing with your posts. if that's your goal then you are doing a very good job at accomplishing it. the wedge is in. keep hammering on it.

     
  17. Sounds like the wedge is between reality and your comprehension of thereof. But hey, not going to tell you what to do... Be yourself.
     
  18. So I dont watch the news or anything like that - is this chaz thing bulldozed clean yet and the Shitheels & Asshats sent a-packin’?

    #2 - while I’m here, are these protests also basically over & done with?

    Edit: Thanks in advance.

    j
     
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  19. Stoner #1 to Stoner #2 -

    Where do you get your world news? ABC, Newsweek, NY Times, CBS, Fox?”

    Stoner #2 - “GrassCity”.

    j
     
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  20. you should try being like myself. it would definitely improve the overall quality of your life. guaranteed. :smoke:
     
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