This thread isn't like the Ancap one. This is dedicated to anarchists of all forms. Socialists, Marxists, Ancaps, and anyone else is welcome to post here, as long as the subject is anarchy. All government haters are welcome! "Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us." - Leo Tolstoy
"Even if the absence of government really did mean anarchy in a negative, disorderly sense - which is far from being the case - even then, no anarchical disorder could be worse than the position government has led humanity. - Leo Tolstoy
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. – C. S. Lewis
Anyway, I have a legitimate question... If there were no governments, organizations or controlling groups/bodies/communities, how do you guys know that another group of people that actually do have intent to organize and govern (through military force if they must) won't take your shit over? Enslaving or killing you? What's to say that the structures that actually would exist in anarcho-capitalism, minarchism or libertarianism would be strong and thick enough to actually hold up and withstand adversity over tests of time? By groups of people that actually care enough about them and have enough resources together to uphold them?
So what is the difference between an anarcho-capitalist/libertarian and an anarcho-socialist? They both believe in no government at least in buisness So is it just a philosophy disagreement?
Yes, but also economically, most anarcho-socialists are Mutualists (but there still are Leninists, Stalinists, and Maoists who label themselves with the "anarcho" tag).
I never understood how communists can be anarchists. Doesn't communism/socialism require a government?
Watch this whole video if you havnt seen it already. Pay particular attention at the 12 min mark. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDVNL0VyaEI&feature=channel_video_title]Beautiful Freedom - YouTube[/ame] It doesnt matter.
I would argue yes. THey would argue no, because everyone will just voluntarily join a commune, because communes are just so great. In reality at least in the US, they would have to violently kill much of the American people and reducate others in camps, all of that would require massive organization and thus a government to collect and enforce these rules. Thats the big difference between ancap and the other supposed anarchist groups they want to tell you how to live and control your life, in an ancap or voluntaryist society you choose your political affiliations. Don't like capitalism? Join a commune or form a community that shares your beliefs, like the Amish do. An anarcho communist would consider (for the most part there are always exceptions) your liberty a threat to their plans.
Be sure to check out "beautiful freedom 2" to see his responses to critiques of "beautiful freedom" (1)
You know what? That video was disgusting filth. Anarchists lack a concern for the future. They feel that when we get there, we will then make the important decisions right then and there. They say it themselves, "It doesn't matter." While at the same time, the man in the video remembers every single bad thing the human race has done up until modern day, but almost purposely chose to neglect every good thing they ever did with states, or because of them. The anarchist in the video neglects what was vital for the human process leading up to the world today as we know it, States and lawful organization. Actual written laws, that would be respected years to come. He chose to neglect that without funding and support from other large groups, the world's inventors, thinkers, scientists, and doctors, would likely not have even been able to complete half of what they did. If it wasn't for the groups supporting them, or their upbringings within those groups and structures. He even forgot to mention that the inventor of the damn cotton gin, only invented it a year after graduating from Yale, which was funded by many groups of people, including clergymen and statists. If it was never for states and organization, how would these "vaccines" and "robots" ever have been made available to the public on a wide scale? How would anything have been made on a global scale? The anarchists don't know, but they do trust that it would have all been fine. Well, I don't know about the anarchists, but I'm not gonna sit around and participate in something in which there is less certainty than statehood. I truly believe that anarchists are trying to make humans devolve into a state which makes them neglect the importance of groups on a political scale. They are trying to take away a quality of humans that is so necessary and vital to their whole existence.