This grow will consist of strains I have crossed myself. All Strains derive from Alaskan Thunderfuck (aka Matanuska Thunderfuck),Soma A+(aka Rock Bud),Mighty Might, and a local Indica that has been around a long time. All strains can be grown outdoors as well as indoors. Sorry if a grow like this does not interest you but IMHO the seed game is a scam so I make my own. $10 as much as $40 a seed lol. Much like the dispensary's that are getting $80 an eighth for Alaskan Thunderfuck. Non-profit my ass. Strains: Appalachian Rock Bud Appalachian Thunderfuck Mighty Thunderfuck Grow Media: 5 Parts Premier Pro-Mix BX w/ Mycorise 5 Parts FFOF (Fox Farm Ocean Forest) 2 Parts EWC Soil Amendments: Bone Meal Blood Meal Mexican Bat Guano 10-2-1 Humboldt Nutrients Myco Maximum (Humic Acid,Endomycorrhiza,Bacteria,Trichoderma) Nutrients: Full Organic line of Humboldt Nutrients Base Nutrients: Grow Natural Bloom Natural Additives and Supplements: Flavorful (Fulvic Acid) Humboldt (Humic Acid) Deuce Deuce (Soluble Potash 0-0-22) Equilibrium (Cal/Mag) Biological Inoculants: White Widow (Endo-Mychorrhizae) "I only use for transplanting" Myco Maximum (Endo-Mychorrizae,Bacteria,Trichoderma) "Soil amendment" Myco Madness (Endo -Mychorrizae,Bacteria,Trchoderma) "soluble" Humboldt Roots Prozyme (Growing Media Treatment) Mayan Microzyme (Bacterial enzomatic concentrate) Sweetener: Humboldt Honey ES Lighting: Veg: Bad Boy T5 HO 6 bulb 4 bulbs 6500k 2 bulbs 2900k 8 CFL 26w 6500k (Side Lighting) Total wattage: 532 watts Flower: 600 watt HPS Bad Boy T5 HO 6 bulb (Side lighting) 4 bulbs 2900k 2 bulbs 6500k 8 CFL 26w 2700k (Side lighting) Total wattage:1132 watts The pictures above are: Pic 1: Light set up for veg pic 2: 3 week old seedlings with lighting lifted pic 3: 3 week old seedlings with lighting lifted top view pic 4: Appalachian Rock Bud 3 weeks from sprout pic 5: Appalachian Thunderfuck 3 weeks from sprout pic 6: Mighty Thunderfuck 3 weeks from sprout All seedlings were topped and bottom 2 nodes were removed 2 days ago. I remove bottom 2 nodes for better plant transpiration, ease of watering and feeding, but most of all because I want all energy directed to top of plant. I will veg these 7 seedlings for 4 weeks now. They will not be fed . They will live off soil amendments and water only.I will then sex them. Either way I will cull 4 plants in 4 weeks. I will then transplant 3of the plants from 3 gal to 10 gal containers. I will then veg the 3 plants I transplanted in 10 gal pots another 4 weeks. While feeding half strength Humboldt Nutrients. Enough for now I guess. sorry to be so long winded. I just wanted to be as detailed as possible for anyone whom wanted to come along for the ride. I will keep all future posts on this journal shorter. Have a great day all. Look forward to your comments/criticisms,suggestions. This indoor stuff is going to be a bit new for me.
Ok, good day all. I am going to give you a chronological order of events on these plants to catch you up on how they got to this point. 12/11/11- Began germination on 5 Appalachian Thunderfuck, 5 Appalachian Rock Bud, and 5 Mighty Thunderfuck using the seed between paper towels and 2 plates method. I used a propagation mat set at 75 F. These seeds are all from this summers grow. 12/13/11- All 15 beans popped. Planted all 15 beans in solo cups. I use a watered down version of my adult plant grow media without any additional soil amendments. 3 parts promix, 1 part FFOF, 1 part EWC's. I also completely saturate all solo cups with H2O. 12/16/11- All beans have sprouted and broken ground. 12/17/11- Watered all seedlings to the point of saturation. 12/21/11- Topped off all seedlings with grow media and completely saturated all seedlings with H2O. 12/25/11- Completely saturated all seedlings with H2O. 12/29/11- Completely saturated all seedlings with H2O. 12/31/11- Potted up 7 of the 15 seedlings. Went from solo cups to 3 gal pots. Before transplanting in holes, I sprinkle 1/4 tsp of White Widow(Endo-Mycorrhizae) in hole to make direct contact with roots. The manufacturer recommends it every feeding but IMHO the only time this stuff works is when it comes in direct contact with the roots. So therefore I only use when transplanting. To be perfectly honest I do not go by the nutrient manufacturer's recommendations on the feeding charts. I prefer to let the plants tell me what they need. That and a little common sense works best for me. I also brewed a tea of Mayan Mycrozyme (Bacterial Enzomamatic Concentrate) and Honey ES (Food for Bacteria) for 48 hrs prior to transplanting. I then saturated the seedlings with this brew after transplant. Discarded of the other 8 seedlings. 1/4/12- Topped all 7 seedlings at the 4th node. 1/6/12- Removed bottom 2 nodes from all 7 seedlings. All 7 seedlings now have only 2 nodes. Note: All plants are moved one spot clockwise daily. Also all plants are rotated one quarter turn weekly. Ok, this should get you up to date. I will be posting photos once a week throughout this grow. If you have any questions,comments, or constructive criticisms please feel free to opine.
Hey MGB, Nice and clean so far, and good uniformity - excellent start! MGB are probably your initials, but I drive a 1969 MGB-GT Lame entry, I know...but I loves my baby
Thank you Papawayne. No MGB is not my initials. Actually it stands for Maine Green Bud. MGB's are great cars. I had one in the early eighties I had it restored. It was yellow lol. Unfortunately while I was away in the military my barn collapsed from snow load and it was destroyed. These days living where I live in the backwoods of Maine I am a 4 wheel-drive truck man. As an avid outdoorsman it is a must. ATM a Dodge crew cab with the Hemi. Have a great day Papa.
Good day all. Just a weekly update from Maine. Here are some pics 4 weeks from sprout. Pic 1: Front View Pic 2: Overhead View Pic 3: Appalachian Rock Bud 4 weeks from sprout Pic 4: Appalachian Thunderfuck 4 weeks from sprout Pic 5: Mighty Thunderfuck 4 weeks from sprout Weeks Events 1/9/12- Moved light up 1 " 1/12/12-Culled an Appalachian Thunderfuck. It was growing a set of balls.(Male)Now down to 6 plants to choose from in 6 weeks. Moved light away from wall to allow more space for plants to grow. Topped the second Appalachian Thunderfuck for the second time. Saturated remaining 6 plants with a Humboldt Honey ES and H2O solution. They each took about one half gallon. Honey ES was diluted 5ml per gal of H2O. 1/13/12-Moved light up 1 " 2 weeks after transplant into 3 gal buckets all looks well. 2 more weeks in the 3 gal then I will choose 3 for 10 gal buckets. I do have one slight concern at this point. My concern is not having to water these plants for almost 2 weeks after transplant. Outside I am use to them drying at a much faster rate. My concern is maybe I am running a little to strong with EWC's for an indoor grow. I have many more controls with an indoor grow. IE Humidity and Temperature. My temp is 75 at the canopy and my humidity fluctuates between 55% and 60%.I keep root temps at an even 65 degrees. My pots outside dry much faster do to the angle of the sun and other factors. I guess my question is should I be worried about root rot? If so which of the following suggestions would you think would be best. A) Cut my ewc percentage back from 25-30% to 15-20% for indoor grows. B) Add more perlite/vermiculite to soil recipe C) Cut my humidity back a bit D) Don't worry about it E) None of the above. (Please make a suggestion) Thank you in advance for any comments. Have a great day all catch you next week.
Hey MGB, You're good with the ewc. Your mix didn't list any added perlite/vermiculite, so if it's too dense, that's what you would want to add (or some other loosener/aerator - rice hulls, lava rock, etc.) As long as your mix is loose enough to let water drain easily and not pool, then I don't see any problem going two weeks from transplant to first watering. A bigger problem would be if you didn't wait long enough for them to dry out and over watered out of impatience. At some point you might want to consider making an AACT tea to feed your micro herd. They're looking good and growing strong! Be patient and keep them that way.
Heya Papa Once again thank you sir for the compliment on my vegging plants.Also thank you for the suggestion to feed my microbes, but I already did feed them when I watered them. I added 5 ml of Humboldt Honey ES(It is a blend of cane molasses,kelp,yucca and ocean fish) per 1 gal of H2O. Hopefully this keeps the little buggers happy. Have a great day Papa. Oops almost forgot Papa I will add 1 part perlite to my soil mix when I transplant to 10 gal pots. To be perfectly honest it is probably fine the way it is now but I am just use to watering more often is all. MGB
Good morning fellow Mainer. Just peeking in to see what you got going on - looks good. Central Maine here. jerry.
Heya Jerry Thank you for looking in on my grow. If you ever want to exchange info just let me know. We both have many things in common. I am a 20+ year Veteran. You never know maybe we could both benefit from the friendship. I am located in the same general area you are. I would be more specific but I don't care to divulge to much personal information over the internet. I will gladly exchange info in a personal email. Feel free to PM me anytime and I will give you my email address. If you choose not to this is fine as well I have been following your grow/posts since you came to Grass City. BTW your grow is fantastic. You may look at my join date and say, how is this so. I have been here for many years just never joined for fear of my position in my job and my community. The join date you see is the date I became legal. (only in the states eyes) So I am still a bit cautious. In the past if I wanted to look at pictures I would have to log in on a friends account. Hope you understand. I look forward to future communications between us. Have a great day! MGB PS. If you read this in the near future Jerry could you please let me know if you can see my photos in my previous posts, because I can not. I can see everyone's but mine. Thank you
Hello all, time for the weekly update from Maine. The girls are now 3 weeks into veg 5 weeks from sprouting. Pic 1: Frontal view lighting down Pic 2: Frontal view lighting up Pic 3: Appalachian Rock Bud Pic 4: Mighty Thunderfuck Pic 5: 10 gal pots with soil for Saturday transplant Weeks Events: 1/16/12- Culled male Appalachian Rock Bud 1/17/12- Culled male Appalachian Thunderfuck (Will not be growing this strain this grow. The 2 I selected from the original 5 both ended up being males. No big deal I grew this strain last 3 grows.) 1/18/12- Moved light up 1" Made up 26 gallons of soil up for transplant into 10 gal buckets next Saturday 1/28/12 10 gal Fox Farm Ocean Forest 10 gal Pro-Mix BX 4 gal Wiggle Worm EWC's 2 gal Perlite 1/2 cup Mexican Bat Guano 1/2 cup Bone Meal 1/2 cup Blood Meal 1/2 cup Myco Maximum 1/19/12- Saturated remaining 4 plants with H2O 1/21/12- Moved light up 1 inch OK I guess this about does it for last week. Next Saturday I will be transplanting these 4 girls into 10 gal pots and I will Veg them an additional 4 weeks. Have a great day all. Feel free to comment on my grow anytime. Constructive criticism is always valued.
Hey MGB, I'm loving the compact formation...and the intense green Another 4 weeks of veg after transplanting...those girlz are going to be awesome!
Hi MGB. Right now I'm keeping a low profile - hope you understand as far as that goes. Your plants are looking very pretty. Papawayne hit it right as far as the "compact formation" goes! Are you up for some "constructive criticism"? And please dont take this the wrong way - please. Your plants look fantastic. So dont take me the wrong way. Lose those expensive "additives/nutrients", and simply switch them out for some basic organic goodies. Get some "Coast of Maine" products in there. Theyre a fantastic compost maker here in Maine, loaded with microbial life. Penobscot Blend is made with fully matured salmon, blueberry and mussel compost (2/3) and sphagnum moss peat (1/3). Quoddy Blend is made from composted crab, lobster and aspen bark. The crab and lobster shells are a rich source of calcium and chitin, the aspen bark a source of tannins and lignins. Here is a link to thier website - Coast of Maine Organic Products I buy thier stuff at Paris Farmers Union. Very inexpensive, and very effective. Those "Humboldt Nutrients" are expensive, and some basic organics will replace them and do a better job. I used to use alot of bottles - I know. There - I said it. if you want me to shut up, I will bow out gracefully. I dont mean to criticize - just trying to save you some money and keep you out of The Grow Store's greedy clutches...*lol* If not, I'd be happy to converse regarding organic products to switch those expensive overrated bottled nutrients out for. Another VERY COOL place for you to check out is here - Organic Growers Supply cover crops, soil amendments & gardening supplies This is Fedco Seeds Organic Growers Supply. They carry some rockin' organic ammendments and soils, and great earthworm castings, etc. They are up in the Waterville area. Again - if you want me to shut up I will...*lol* You're doing a great job, but I'm just trying to save you some $$$. Have a great day man! jerry.
Hello Papa Thank you once again, but I am not one to blow smoke up my own ass. Your plants blow mine away. I don't understand how your new growth is the same shade green as your old growth. My new growth is always is always a lighter green than my old growth. Maybe you can share your secret with me. Have a great day Papa and thank you for stopping by again. Hello Jerry I only mentioned exchanging emails because you said where you were located, so no worries. I will take your advice under consideration. Although I must mention that sometimes liquid nutrients get a bad wrap because many folks treat their plants like they are weight lifters and the nutrients are treated as though they are anabolic steroids. I use them in moderation. For example with the full organic line I am using I paid around $250. I have grown 19 plants including these four and I have not even used half of what I have. I guess I use them more for diversity then anything else. I will concede I could probably do it even cheaper if I did not use them at all. Another reason the particular nutrients I am using get a bad wrap is because folks confuse manufacturers and product. Just recently I saw someone ask about Humboldt Nutrients only to have someone look up Humboldts Own (Totally different company) ingredients and knock Humboldt Nutrients.I have noticed that for some reason growing is a little like religion and politics. Some folks have an agenda. I am in no way implying you do I am just saying I see it all the time. As far as Coast of Maine products go I am aware of them. In my opinion they are not really much cheaper by the time you add the things they are missing. IE green sand perlite etc. They are $10 per cf. FFOF is $18 per 1.5 cf. So you initially save $3. Now add what is missing and I would say they are about equal. Besides I cut it 50/50 with Promix BX. You can't get any cheaper than $23 for 3.8 cf. In saying all this I do plan on giving their products a run in my summer grow. I plan on blending several of their products to make my base soil. IMHO the advantage of Coast of Maine products is not their cost, it is the fact I think you would have better control over your soil. Meaning you would know how much of of each ingredient is in your soil. Unlike the FFOF I am currently using which is a crap shoot. Now the Fedco link you gave me is great. In the past I have always used the excuse it was to hard to locate all the amendments needed to build my own soil and do a tea and water only grow. This will be my goal for my summer grow. Thank you very much. As far as me minding if you post constructive criticism, I don't mind at all. In fact I did not see any criticism in your post. I did see a few suggestions. The only time I have a problem with criticism is when folks don't offer up an alternative to what you are doing. To me this is no longer constructive criticism it is just plain old criticism. The other problem I have is when folks cop an attitude if you rebut their criticisms with fact that supports what you are doing. So Jerry you and I are all good. I live by the philosophy that if you are not always striving to improve you will get left behind. Have a great day Jerry hope you will stop by and put your 2 cents in again.
Meaning you would know how much of of each ingredient is in your soil. Unlike the FFOF I am currently using which is a crap shoot. Agreed - and btw, great reply! I would have to say that yep, it probably does cost me more to make my soil mix than it does to buy any of the bagged soil mixes - BUT - In the long run, mine has much more in it as far as ammendments go, and I bet I can continue to do the No-Till thing in my big ol' 10 or 12 gallon post for quite a long time. I'm liking that, and am really glad I gave it a whirl. All I did was to take the plant I just harvested, cut out an approximately 1 gallon sized hole, threw in a single handful of ewc's, and dropped a new plant in from a 1 gallon pot. They're doing great! After speaking with Microbeman (Microbe Organics dot com) he tells me that he's got a no-till bed thats been going on for 7 years now - pretty darn impressive. I think that the reason that I'm agains bottled nutrients in general these days is because for over 20 years I used them, and spent countless thousands of dollars on them. Then I came here to the organics section of GC, and after mucho reading and watching, and then of course trying I have come to the point where I simply dont need them, I dont want them, and I'll never use them again. I use homemade plant extracts these days if for som,e silly reason i think my gals need any kind of "food". I'll be planting many more 'accumulator" plants this spring, and its only going to get better from here. I have big plans, as soon as it warms up a bit, to make a great big ol' flow thru worm bin. right now i just have several small ones going on, but they're doing pretty well. I dont need them and my garden is doing better than it ever has in my entire gardening career. Its not for everyone. Thats cool. I just wanted to throw it out there. I apologize if I was pushy at all - wasnt my intention. Have a really nice day man. I'll be keep an eye in here. jerry.
Hey MGB, >>Your plants blow mine away. I don't understand how your new growth is the same shade green as your old growth. My new growth is always is always a lighter green than my old growth. Maybe you can share your secret with me. Thanks for the compliment. Here's my secret: Royal Soil My mothers are growing in pure compost, with only 4 cups of ewc + 2 Tbsp kelp meal and some perlite added per container. A few weeks back, the new growth started to pale and thin, so I gave them an AACT (compost, ewc, kelp, molasses), which greened them right up again. Other than that, they get watered when they're thirsty, and the rest of the time I just stand back and watch. When the old farts here in the organic forum say that good compost is like pure gold...believe 'em
Other than that, they get watered when they're thirsty, and the rest of the time I just stand back and watch. When the old farts here in the organic forum say that good compost is like pure gold...believe 'em You got that right Papa! Reps to you! jerry.
Well another week has gone bye. Last week was fairly uneventful. Last weeks events: 1/24/12- Moved light up 1" 1/25/12- Saturated all 4 plants with a Honey ES and H2O solution. 5 ml per gallon 1/28/12- Transplanted all 4 plants from 3 gal pots to 10 gal pots. After transplant I saturated all 4 plants with a Honey ES, Myco Madness,Humic Acid,Folic Acid, H2O solution. I also installed some additional lighting today. 600w HPS with a MH conversion bulb. Well this week was a pretty good week. The highlight of this week took place on Saturday when I was able to pick up some new used lighting. I was able to do some trading for a 600w HPS Ballast,Reflector, and Bulb. I also acquired a 400w HPS Ballast,Reflector, and Bulb. In addition to the lights mentioned above I got a 2 ft. t5 HO that will fit nicely over my humidity dome and cloning table. While I was there I noticed he had thrown a digital timer in the trash. I asked him why it was in the trash. He said it did not work right. Knowing this fellow I thought it might be operator error, so I asked if he minded if I took it. LOL it works flawlessly. The one bad thing about going there was when he took me into his flower room to take the lighting down there were 6 dead plants in there completely full of spider mites. Man I was bumming when I saw that. When I got home I stripped down bare-ass naked in the mud room and went directly to the shower. I left everything I got from him outside overnight. When I brought it in I completely douched everything with bleach. I am going to re bulb everything I got from him. I ordered the 400w and 600w Hortilux Super HPS. He was using those cheap ass $25 Ultra Sun Bulbs. Believe it or not the crazy bastard was using a metal halide with the 400w HPS. I am hoping he has not damaged the igniter. The 2 metal halides he gave me were all charred. They went directly to my hazardous material barrel. The only descent bulb I got was a Sunmaster 600w conversion bulb which had never been used. I will use it for the next 4 weeks in conjunction with my Badboy to finish vegging. After that I will not use it. I plan on picking up a second Badboy for veg on my next indoor grow. I found the 1 Badboy is just not enough light for 4 plants that are vegged for 8 weeks. The plants just get to big to get good coverage. Now I have enough lighting for separate veg,clone and flower rooms. I will post some pics tomorrow of the new gear. I should have done before and after photos. When I picked the ballasts and hoods up you could not even tell they were white. After giving them a good douche they now look brand new. It is no wonder this guy has chronic spider mite problems, he is a pig. Well I guess thats about it for last week. Hope you all had a good week. Catch you folks next week. Have a great day all. MGB Pic 1: 4 weeks veg 6 weeks from sprout front view Pic 2: Appalachian Rock Bud front view 4wks veg 6wks from sprout Pic 3: Appalachian Rock Bud top view 4wks veg 6wks from sprout Pic 4: Mighty Thunderfuck front view 4wks veg 6wks from sprout Pic 5: Mighty Thunderfuck top view 4wks veg 6wks from sprout
They Look not short but not tall, and thick. I like the green hues, Looks nice and uniform. Overhead view looks amazing. How long have you had those vegging for?
Heya Buds Thank you for stopping bye and thank you for the kind words. To answer your question they have been under my veg light for 4 weeks. They are 6 weeks from sprout. For the first 2 weeks of a plants life I consider them seedlings. I will veg them for another 4 weeks for a total of an 8 week veg. Hope you stop bye and say hello again. Have a great day! MGB