CODEPINK May 21-24: Show your disgust at the actions of Israel and its supporters..

MSabre · Apr 25, 2011

Code PINK? sweet I'll do anything for Victoria's (not-so) Secret.

SmokinP · May 7, 2011

The Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, now entering their twentieth year had been hailed from the start as historic, having inaugurated a "peace process" that would resolve what is commonly referred to as the "Palestinian-Israeli conflict".
For the Palestinians and the international community, represented by the United Nations and the myriad resolutions its Security Council and General Assembly issued since 1948, what was to be negotiated were the colonisation of land, the occupation of territory and population, and the laws that stipulate ethnic and religious discrimination in Israel, which, among other things, bar Palestinian refugees from returning to their land and confiscate their property.

In their struggle against these Israeli practises, Palestinian leaders, whether in Israel, the Occupied Territories, or the diaspora, have always invoked these rights based on international law and UN resolutions, which Israel has consistently refused to implement or abide by since 1948. Thus for the Palestinians, armed by the UN and international law, the negotiations were precisely aimed to end colonisation, occupation, and discrimination.

On the other hand, one of the strongest and persistent arguments that the Zionist movement and Israel have deployed since 1948 in defence of the establishment of Israel and its subsequent policies is the invocation of the rights of Israel, which are not based on international law or UN resolutions. This is a crucial distinction to be made between the Palestinian and Israeli claims to possession of "rights."
While the Palestinians invoke rights that are internationally recognised, Israel invokes rights that are solely recognised at the national level by the Israeli state itself. For Zionism, this was a novel mode of argumentation as, in deploying it, Israel invokes not only juridical principles but also moral ones.

In this realm, Israel has argued over the years that Jews have a right to establish a state in Palestine, that they have a right to establish a "Jewish" state in Palestine, that this state has a "right to exist," and that it has a "right to defend itself", which includes its subsidiary right to be the only country in the region to possess nuclear weapons, that it has the "right" to inherit all the biblical land that the Jewish God promised it, and a "right" to enact laws that are racially and religiously discriminatory in order to preserve the Jewish character of the state, otherwise articulated in the more recent formula of "a Jewish and democratic state".

Israel has also insisted that its enemies, including the Palestinian people, whom it dispossesses, colonises, occupies, and discriminates against, must recognise all these rights, foremost among them its "right to exist as a Jewish state", as a condition for and a precursor to peace.
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The rights of Israel - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

As above Does Israel have a Right to Exist ?

Does any state have a right to exist ?

Does Palestine have a right to exist ?

Ok i know its an old thread but i can't take anymore Benny Laden talk...

aaronman · May 7, 2011

I don't think rights should apply to states, but to all individuals.

gedio · May 7, 2011

smokinp said:

Helen said that the Jews should leave Palestine.
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That's not particularly anti-semetic, it's what came afterwards that's a bit off-colour.

dudedude4 · May 7, 2011

gedio said:

it's what came afterwards that's a bit off-colour.
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Yea... particularly "did a JEW write that???" - Helen Thomas

mushroomsatsuji · May 7, 2011

I guess I should be ashamed...

dudedude4 · May 7, 2011

Al Jazeera's definition of Zionism is also whack and biased. It is not at all about "getting all of the land God promised" as stupid Al Jazeera is fibbing through its teeth, Zionism has always historically been a secular movement with the only goal of establishing political autonomy, in land which until 1967 was acquired 100% fairly, as the Arabs themselves will admit to you. Al Jazeera is using the definiton of Zionism used by the 7% of ISraelis that are fanatical settlers. They, as well as the OP are attempting to distribute the ideology of the Israeli equivalent of neo-cons to the whole of Israel in order to propagate and perpetuate a general state of hateful ignorance. Can't say I'm surprised though, everything that has been posted by the OP is soiled with undercurrents of stereotyping and anti-Semitism.

notonTV · May 8, 2011

There's a Palestinian flag on my wall for a reason.

SmokinP · Jun 12, 2011

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