How Sovereign Are We Really?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by pickledpie, Dec 15, 2015.

  1. Are we sovereign?


    We are sure as hell meant to be, but does reality reflect the ideal?


    I think that oppression is an intrinsic part of the society we now live in. Not just where I am at the moment but just about anywhere in the world.


    What is the nature of a Man who does not strive for the highest? Who is he, that settles for bondage, the yoke of oppression, over emancipation, complete liberation. I would say that such a man is gagged and bound, but even more cowardly is he who sees his fetters, the fetters of those around him, and is complacent.


    What do you think of resistance? Rebellion? Non-conformity?


    The nature of all great transformations in the world, in human society, have arisen from the fiery passion of one who would not submit to the general order of things. The many of the past that saw the fetters imposed by the culture of their time, by the rulers of those times, they sought emancipation and they walked on that path fearlessly, with courage and resolve.


    What is the state of our world now? Sovereign, we are not. Free? Just think about it. How many powers exist that coerce us always. Not just from outside, but within as well. It reifies itself, this society of oppression. Those who see it are awake.


    Ignorance is bliss they say, to awaken is painful.

     
  2. Should have been in Philosophy eh?
     
  3. #3 SmokinP, Dec 15, 2015
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    Should have titled it "Obama, Guns, Muslims, Terrorist, Sovereign, Fuck Ya"
     
  4. The thing about being free is that some people are just going to innately have more freedom than others. Some people actually prefer to be led to water, rather than to bushwhack for the oasis and when those same people see the end result of bushwhacking, your own little private oasis, they get jelly bro and then they want their own.


    So that leaves them with 2 choices, they could bushwhack for their oasis, or they could just take yours. All animals on this planet are suited to take the easiest route to get to their destination, so its just human nature that at some point somebody comes along to try and take your freedom.


    If there was a 3 step program to being free, there would still be people begging to be liberated and its just that simple.
     
  5. We are as sovereign as we make ourselves. It's something that needs to be taken and defended, not granted by a government.

     
  6. When the chips are down it will be easy to see who's sovereign and who's not.
     
  7. Yep.
     
  8. We are too far down the tyranny trail to peacefully change course. So my goal is to spread the word of sovereignty, I've found it's something most people know but feel powerless or are to occupied with life.



    There will come a turning point where we see that the power is in our hands and the overbearing tyrants will make life so difficult and unpleasant that action will be easier and preferred to peoples apathy.



    I am just one person, my resistance would likely be ineffectual, but spreading the ideal multiplies the effect.



    I have said it before, when people value sovereignty over life is when things will change. There are no words more dangerous or more powerful IMO.


    I think we need to view sovereignty as a whole human organism. As soon as we fear/favor/demonize/exploit one person we have upset the balance and started a cascade toward tyranny. Much like this country in marginalizing women, Africans, Irish, Indians etc, as soon as the human mind was conditioned to favor particular groups and demonize others, the domino was fallen. How can we expect people to act like people if they aren't treated like people?
     
  9. Paraphrasing the great Walter E. Williams:


    "When all of human history is written, there will be a little blip representing America's brief experiment with liberty. All else will be about man oppressing man."

     
  10. To make a terrible analogy,
    The domino's cannot be reset until they have all fallen.

    There is no rebellion or movement that can save humanity from the end it is willing on itself.

    Even in saying that it is necessary to teach people that the oppressive state is not inherently their master, something people seem so reluctant to accept. Why is that? Simply Apathy? Or is there more
     
  11. Americans despise liberty -- if you can even find a few who know what it really means.


    Today it's all about how much money you can get from other Americans, using the heavy boot of the state to accomplish it.

    Liberty is in its death throes in America, but is flourishing elsewhere. Depending on the yardstick used -- economic freedom, political freedom, etc. -- there are other countries that have more freedom than the US has.

     
  12. superApe - I think it is quite evident that there is more than apathy. I would say at the very least it is due to intentional brainwashing/programming or social engineering.


    Those who benefit from suppressing or exploiting others do NOT want their scheme exposed and they certainly don't want people to realize that this isn't the only not even the best system we can create. They don't want people to realize who they are, where they came from etc. they want people to love their servitude. Speaking of...
    "There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution" Aldous Huxley
     
  13. There is little to no sovereignty in this country. Sure you can buy distractions and travel and do alot of neat things but we are all indoctrinated from a young age at what society is and what it is suppose to be. We are put in this box and told that we have to listen to authority and that people having control of your lives is the way it is and the way it should be. When you hear some of the words that come out of American's mouths you can almost hear the politicians themselves. We don't think on our own anymore. Muslims? Mexicans? All this fear mongering spewing out and they take what they hear and run with it.


    Politicians sold us out to the corporations and we sit here and watch knowing that they are running the okie doke on us. We watched when Obama started interfering in Syria and had no words for him until ISIS popped up and started killing. Now we are actively bombing in the same country where Russian military is located(whose goals differ from ours completely).


    We have the nerve to look down on other people and countries with this smug arrogant reasoning that they are poor therefore lesser human beings, but when you speak to people from these countries compared to them we look remedial. Little kids barely ten can articulate what they feel on a higher level than our teenagers. All this information and we let ourselves further down the rabbit hole, to afraid to do anything hat can change our comfortable lives.


    We have all we have through conning the world, not because we so happen to be the greatest nation on earth. This could be a great country if the people and politicians were as decent as they'd like to pretend but the gov't is sinister and the people are the biggest bunch of morons I've ever seen. I'm not perfect I fall into this category of morons for knowing enough but doing to little. When America reaches the history books those in the future will learn of our treachery and think "wow those americans were fucking stupid."
     
  14. I love aldous huxley. Have you read his essay "heaven and hell"? Would recommend.

    And I agree. The sense of "the individual "is very weak today. Much group thought do to the endless propaganda or 'marketing' provided to us.
     


  15. "There is nothing new under the sun."
     
  16. "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken."

    Mustafa Kemal Atatürk


    I do agree about the reality and persception of the USA, I honestly believe the American flag will be viewed in the same light as the Nazi flag.
     
  17. No I haven't read that or any of his work. I just recalled seeing that quote before.
     
  18. #19 seedhead, Jan 3, 2016
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    The chips are already down. I think sovereignty is dead, and not only am i a slave but I have been enslaved by extra terrestrial beings who have created a false reality in my mind whilst my body sits in the human storage warehouse within their spacecraft. Your silly comments are obviously fabrications of my alien captors imagination, because none of you foobars sound as if you understand anything about the human soul. Ha! You can't fool me! Hahahaha!
     
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