Should we be saving life?

Discussion in 'Pandora's Box' started by Reo, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Hey guys been thinking of this every now an again.


    With the world being more and more populated. Ive had the thought of natural selection. Its a hard thought for me since it would have to be a complex system. Of yes and no. And let die.


    But in saying that. What if we stopped making vaccines. And stuff to preserve life? And only had vaccines for contagious stuff like the flue . like letting the gene pool purify. In a was of natural selection.




    That is how I can think of it from a cold point if veiw. Like there is going to need to be a population cap at some point since there isn't going to be enough resources eventually right? And then the natural selection part of things. Technology has come a long way in saving people or to fix birth defects.




    Now on the flip or warmer side. No one wants to die. And no one wants to lose a loved one. It's just are brains wirering in a way. " to care for one another" . but beyond that. It gets complex and morally challenging.


    I can't give a proper answer. As to thinking to complexly about it. And there being other thoughts. But what I would like to know what are your thoughts gc. Should we all go crazy and against some morals and make a "lottery" or population control? Or save are selves and are family's and find a way to sustain our selves for futures beyond?




     
  2. Just live your own life.

    We already have a selection process.

    Its called privellaged. People in this world are already denied treatment cz of lack of funds.

    I can only think your idea will manipulated and not in our favour.
     
  3. You won't have to do any of that shit dude. It's gonna take care of itself in the not too distant future. Wait till people can nuke other people for Allah. Not 70 virgins - 70 time 7 virgins - it is written! Not really. lol But when the peeps that wanna kill everybody that refuse to go along with every nuance of their stupid shit finally do get nukes, you'll have some seriously negative population control feedback in operation.
     
  4. Educated people have fewer children
     
  5. Many say the Ebola outbreak was man-made in an effort to begin control.


    Either way, our freedoms are going to be perpetrated by our populations.. If you think having less of us makes us more free, you have a lot to learn about life, my friend.
     
  6. China already started.


    Under the new policy, the most significant overhaul of China's family planning rules in 30 years, married couples in which just one parent is an only child can also have a second baby. The previous rules allowedtwo children for couples in which both parents are only children.Feb 25, 2014
     
  7. nope thats exactly where we need to go. we need to overpopulate, its the next step to evolution. from there we find new places and ways to sustain life.
     
  8. My 18 year old daughter died almost a year ago. I begged for help from everyone that night- I felt it coming. From the cops to everyone. No one cares about other people lives.' My life now is ruined, my family broken- the list is endless. Safe a life if you have the power to. Just do it
     
  9. My condolences thinking abt u brother
     



  10. That's terrible. No mother should outlive their children. I can't "like" posts like this because it's so terrible what happened to you. I wish well on you
     
  11. Take a look at statistics on birth rates in first world countries they are on a rapid decline and as someone else has said it is mostly due to education. If we can bring the third world into the 21st century and educate these people we would be fine. The earth can support many more people than it does now provided we move away from non renewable forms of energy. No need to get Orwellian with it.
     
  12. The better solution is to colonize outwards
     
  13. yeah I had a similar though, medicine is hurting humanity in the way that it dulls us.
    we allow the sick to breed, nature was against that.
     
  14. Population control is better done by preventing excessive breeding than by killing or allowing people to die unnecessarily. Stop sending the poor Africans money and food and start funding vasectomies and tubal ligations, less people would have to suffer and die in the end. Reproduction rates increase with more available resources, more than said resources can sustain. But that still neglects those already living in extreme poverty. There's no easy solution.


    And all vaccines are for contagious diseases, unless I'm forgetting some (correct me if so). You could sort of refer to shingles vaccine, since people getting it already have the herpes zoster virus. But yeah, I can guarantee you that proliferation of more infectious diseases is not going to improve anyone's standard of living.


    It's easy to suggest 'killing off the weak' when you're from the cushy first world and in great health. That's not natural selection by definition anyway. Like you stated, OP, we form relationships with other humans, without much concern over the value of their gene pool. They are real to us, valuable to us, we empathize with them. Most of us have morals, and we care about more than the animal instincts to feed and breed, even though those instincts are still strong. It's shown every day, despite all of the cruelty and hardship in the world. You want my quick answer? Yes. I'm happy to help anyone who wants to carry on in this world another day. It's when the will to carry on is uncertain that I become uncertain. I've taken care of people with no discernible quality of life, and questioned why we should even try to prolong their lives. I'm not sure of how things are in the rest of the world, but in the US, we need to open the discussion of end of life care more often. People suffer because of our taboos.


    But yeah, I've gone through the trouble to keep myself around awhile longer, and agree with doing the same for others who want the same. Humans are natural, how we behave is natural. How will our species end up centuries or longer down the road? Who knows, but it will play out however it plays out.
     
  15. I was hoping for more of a lemmings approach. Volunteers coaxed into it.
    But prevention is much better of course. But I don't see anyone stopping people from having unprotected sex anytime soon.


    Currently japan is doing well since their birthrate is slower every year, soon the elderly will outnumber the young.
     
  16. If a cull is needed then then the best place to start would be the US.

    We need to target the fat bastards who are devouring the world's resources with scant regard for the rest of the world.
     
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  18. What a limited understanding to food and resource infrastructure
     
  19. Who devours oil for example at an insatiable rate?

    Perhaps instead of sniping from the ditch you might provide an argument to show I am wrong?

    Typed on the bottom of a plump cherub
     

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