Solventless Dabs

Discussion in 'Concentrate Tools' started by acid42, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. #1 acid42, Mar 18, 2013
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    Does anyone here make solventless oil? It's also known as ice wax. I just recently started producing this stuff and it's amazing, I won't go back to BHO. The taste is incredible and it's extremely smooth. NO BUTANE OR CHEMICALS INVOLVED, just clean ice and water.

    I've made more than my fair share of BHO, and I feel like no matter which way or how you purge your oil (whether it be vacuum or heat) that there must still be butane and other contaminent molecules in there. I believe the only way to get EXACTLY pure BHO is to do it in a laboratory setting with very expensive equipment and completely refined lab grade butane, which is not what most people are using.

    But now that I've moved on to ice wax I don't have to worry about those chemicals in my body anymore and that's a relief. Theres a lot of speculation as to whether the butane in BHO is bad for you, no one really seems to know yet for certain. Me personally, I'd rather not take my chances.

    TL;DR Check out this dab-able hash I made without using nasty chemicals

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEXXDHtyoAI[/ame]

    For anyone interested in making it, check out Matt Rize's technique:
    ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize
     
  2. #2 AfganiKush, Mar 18, 2013
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    Nice! You ever try heating it and pressing it when its in that powdery consistency? Seems like a pain to dab, its just like gold dust basically. And if you dont mind me asking what do you yield on average from high quality, final-cut trim(i say this because Rize, being the self-proclaimed god that he is, will rarely answer a mortal's questions.)
     
  3. If you start with high quality material you don't have to heat and press, it sticks together really easily if you just kinda mush a dab together with your fingers. Not a pain at all!

    As for yield, it seems to really depend on strain. I usually end up with 1-2 grams of primo ice wax and 2-3 grams of slightly lesser grade but still awesome hash per ounce of material, if I had to guess. The lower grade stuff is great too, I just sprinkle some in a bowl piece with a screen in it and hit it with bee line.

    This is definitely a low yield process, don't expect the same you get from BHO
     
  4. #4 cDub 2 Trill, Mar 18, 2013
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    You get the same amount of goodies or "meds" no matter how you extract it, as long as you try to.
    Doesn't matter how you squeeze an orange, if you have 3 oranges, you'll get the juice from 3 oranges.
    Cook with the leftover material if you think you are leaving any behind.
     
  5. Love me some bubble
     
  6. Lol except when you make BHO or iso you are stripping out the the "juice" with a solvent. Not the same as hand squeezed juice ;)
     
  7. Eh, not in my experience. AfganiKush is right, the process is totally different because the solvent extraction pulls a lot more than just the trichome heads from the plant, while a good water extraction only pulls heads.

    You can really taste the difference with the solventless, I feel like smoking the entire resin head gives you more of the flavors of the terpines
     
  8. #8 AfganiKush, Mar 19, 2013
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    I also think it has something to do with not having to purge off the solvent with heat or vacuum. The terps probably stay intact much better. Well made nug BHO still tastes incredible and i prefer the cleanness and potency.(by clean i mean lack of plant material)
     
  9. I would love to find a technique for doing like 7 gram nug runs of ice to get some ice wax just to try it
     
  10. I've been trying to convince my friend to switch from BHO and a glass tube; to using bubble bags and dry ice. Flavor is amazing when you don't use chemicals.
     

  11. That sounds like a pretty good guess to me. The whole process of BHO is just a lot more rough on the compounds involved. I used to love smoking BHO, and I occasionally will go back to the dark side haha, but the BHO gives me a weird feeling after smoking it heavily for days at a time.

    I just made some Sour Diesel solventless wax, I took the ground up hash after it dried and just used the heat from my hands and some pressure to press it into a putty. It dabs just like oil and the flavor is incredible!

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    Free yourself from the tane!!
     
  12. Well that's just false...

    Come on man, simple logic says otherwise. BHO yields SIGNIFICANTLY higher at SIGNIFICANTLY higher THC %.

    That means even if BHO yielded a little less than ice wax you'd probably still be getting more goodies.
     
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  13. #13 M3ssenger, Mar 24, 2013
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    Yeah, they have dabbable kief that turns into oil on a nail at my club. same as gold honeycomb co2 wax. yes that shit is gold and looks like regular honeycomb from bho but its co2. But the full melt clear dome kief tastes better. Trich heads that are intact gives a more full taste and high. When I quit my tolerance break, I'm going to stay away from the tane, and go for that more expensive, but worthy co2 honeycomb.
     
  14. I just got done drying some new Ice Wax! This stuff came out super gold and crumbly, it's amazing. It smells and tastes great :smoking:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJH2Br60wzI]New Holland Solventless Wax & Alex K DC Beaker - YouTube[/ame]
     
  15. The reason that Ice Wax is so superior to other waxes is due to it being solvent free.

    The disgusting waxes, budders and honeycombs that are often found are generally opaque, compared to the shatter that is clean, due to the moisture (water or butane), that when sublimates (phase change: solid -> gas), complexes the plant wax and results in a substance similar to bees wax, a substance that is highly resistant to natural lung surfactants -- AKA you are coating your lungs with shit that sticks there longer than tar from cigarettes and has similar effects on breathing.


    Be smart, smoke clean concentrates.

    Just watchin out for ya!


    RizeUp
     


  16. Anything other than baseless theories and backwoods chemistry go into that post? Or are you just senselessly repeating Rizes opinions?

    Opinion-A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
     
  17. That you, Mr. Rize?

    lmao
     
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  18. #19 AfganiKush, Apr 3, 2013
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    Ok lets get a piece of information out there: honeycomb, wax, budder or any other consistency that is drier, more stable than an oil or shatter does not automatically mean it was underpurged. Purging in itself is a very subjective term, as you CANNOT remove 100% of the butane with any type of heat or vacuum.(not even matt rizes super powers) But lets say your threshold was 2-3 ppm of butane. Thats two butane chemicals per million chemicals. Regardless of what the sheep at tokecity will take to their grave, shatter is not the only properly made consistency.

    I have nothing against shatter, i just finished a couple grams of pure og shatter that i was in love with. BUT, heres the kicker, i prefer wax and the drier consitencies. And contrary to what you shatter purists will undoubtedly think: im not some ignorant kid buying grams of unpurged tane budder and going i love teh budderz!!11!$! I have smoked many consistencies, most vacuum-purged: oil, shatter, sap, sexy-oil, wax, butter, crumble/flake, honeycombs. You name it, I have dabbed it. And yet i dont prefer shatter...god have mercy on my soul i must be legally retarded, huh?

    I do love a nice 100% translucent slab of shatter that easily shows any impurity. But i do not like working with it. In the southern cali heat most shatters lean on the sappy side in room temps(pull and snap). And i have had super stable shatters plenty, so im not someone who gets sap labeled as shatter and doesnt know what a real shatter is. Honestly most shatter i see is overpurged to the point of having no taste or smell. Real shatter shouldnt have to come from excessive temperatures.

    Now, lets talk about all of this speculation about some form of chemical reaction/transformation/rebirthing of christ? that is taking place under vaccuum..Is there any basis to this? Or do you guys just not like the idea that our properly made honeycombs are actually further purged than your shatter? :D

    Tldr: Im an inbred who doesnt prefer shatter.
     
  19. The issue with most budders/waxes at shops or even from street dealers is they wax it up too early, trapping butane. In my opinion, your oil should be a finished shatter that you wouldnt mind dabbing on, not something full of tane, before waxing it up . I just feel people need to wait longer before nucleating the oil. The only issue I have with opaque concentrates is the fact that you have taken those fats/waxes ect that were in an amorphous(shatter) form, much like they occur in the trichomes themselves, and you've crystallized them just like when you melt chocolate too hot and it turns gritty. same shit. I don't feel your lungs process these forms of waxes ect. the same as a transulcent oil. I can personally feel it in the cough and yes, I've had some bomb proper honeycomb and I dont see a problem with solvents(as long as its done right) its just the way my lungs feel. I feel the cough from wax/budder tends to linger around longer than some shatter/sap. Hard to describe but i can feel the difference. However I'm sure everyones body accepts this medicine differently, like any substance you take.

    Dabbers up! :bongin:
     

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