Why do you think? I think it was a good start and with some direction and more support it could've been something great. But people hated them from the beginning and it never garnered more than mediocre support
In New York City, where it began, they were obnoxious and managed to alienate everybody which included churches, civic groups, labor unions, the working people in the Financial District, and other political organizations affiliated with causes that they supported. They made many bad decisions.
But if people stuck with them and gave them direction, say a high profile leader, they would've been much better off
Yes, they probably would have been, but they said that they had no leadership, and didn't want any. They became very irritated when asked what their goals were. They had the interest of Michael Moore, all kinds of people from Hollywood and the music industry, etc., but no direction.
IMO they were selling something that there isn't much demand for. It couldn't have been bad marketing. They had celebrity support, media coverage, and name recognition. IMO it was their product. From OWS manifesto: "They (corporations) have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right." And the rest of the manifesto is just as ignorant. Declaration of Occupy Wall Street Movement - Manifesto of Occupy Wall Street Movement - Declaration of the 99 Percent Movement
[quote name='"LDSR"']IMO they were selling something that there isn't much demand for. It couldn't have been bad marketing. They had celebrity support, media coverage, and name recognition. IMO it was their product. From OWS manifesto: "They (corporations) have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right." And the rest of the manifesto is just as ignorant. Declaration of Occupy Wall Street Movement - Manifesto of Occupy Wall Street Movement - Declaration of the 99 Percent Movement[/quote] I'll read it tomorrow I'm going to bed. Real quick who was the author? Cause something like that obviously can't represent all of Occupy
The New York City General Assembly. They seem to claim to be the official occupy. Here's there website. Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street
That's exactly the point! Nothing can represent all of occupy! It was so fractured and misguided. They had no motive, and thus had no motivation.
Occupy New York did "elect" leadership they elected a bunch of communist idiots that the MSM focused on due to their radical views. No one wants to listen to a bunch of commie kids playing on their Macs, they looked like idiots and the MSM focued on the idiots just like they did with the Tea Party both movements were brought down by the MSM focusing on the most foolish members.
Occupy had a lot of internal and external pressure. Many people were misguided on what the movement was exactly about and extremists made the entire movement look really bad.
Eventually even the dumbest among us realized that as a collective movement it essentially stood for nothing more than empty rhetoric. It was very poorly organized and there were no real universal ideals. They all agreed that we needed change but none of them agreed on exactly what that change should be. Some of them were communists, some anarchists and others had complete faith in the democratic party's platform.
If any kind of change was on their agenda, they went about in all the wrong ways. Making them look silly rather than serious. Only thing I really remember them for is the stupid finger waving. Nah, they got flagged early on as some idealist out of touch middle-class offspring neo-hippies. Not a single realist amongst them. Trying to bite off much more than they could possibly chew. Camping out with their macs, smartphones, generators and smart street-wear, they did not come off as supporting the working stiff who's got shafted in the recession. They came off as spoiled literature, arts and media students suddenly realizing that the high-end job they imagined getting after the final exam, is no longer there for the taking, and started crying about it. Their potential for sympathy was limited at best...
"The enemy is between your ears." Rick Rule “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names.” Confucius Knowledge: acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation Wisdom: knowledge of what is true or right coupled with just judgment as to action Changing the world starts with changing how you view it.
In the case of occupy, a lot of them were claiming corporations were to blame. In reality the source of the problems is government. Without government there wouldn't be corporations. Was no one in the movement knowledgable enough to point this out to the rest?
[quote name='"LDSR"']In the case of occupy, a lot of them were claiming corporations were to blame. In reality the source of the problems is government. Without government there wouldn't be corporations. Was no one in the movement knowledgable enough to point this out to the rest?[/quote] But corporations and government are so intertwined its hard to tell them apart. Corporations are almost like government with all the lobbyist and corrupt way they go about things
They are clearly defined, although yes they are close partners. Elected officials are the ones that have the final say. They enact laws and put forth legislation. If a lobbyist tries to influence a member of congress, the congressman could simply not listen to them or take their bribes. When they accept the bribes however, the influence of corporations comes into politics...so it's absolutely the governments fault because they initiated the beginning of the actual relationship with the acceptance of bribes. I'm not saying large corporations aren't bad, but without government, they wouldn't even be large unless they competed fairly in the market.