answer to yurigadisukida The Federalist Papers Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right, from the frame of their nature, to knowledge, as their great Creator, who does nothing in vain, has given them understandings, and a desire to know; but besides this, they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean, of the characters and conduct of their rulers. – John Adams, "A Dissertation On the Canon and Feudal Law," 1765; Works: Vol. 3
uhh what? So the answer is to bust all the unions and uhh change labor relations between the remaining unionized businesses so workers are completely at the will of employers???
[quote name='"fayn2madness"']The Federalist Papers Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right, from the frame of their nature, to knowledge, as their great Creator, who does nothing in vain, has given them understandings, and a desire to know; but besides this, they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean, of the characters and conduct of their rulers. – John Adams, "A Dissertation On the Canon and Feudal Law," 1765; Works: Vol. 3[/quote] "The common people to aspire at independency, and to endeavour at confining the power of the great within the limits of equity and reason" John Adams dissertation... paragraph 3 end... Did i just read that correctly, so he was implying socialistic elements very similar to what i was advocating before, right?
[quote name='"fayn2madness"']of course not.[/quote] Well what about the 1% vs 99%, equity and reason? To confine would in essence be a redistribution of wealth. Lol
[quote name='"fayn2madness"'] I don't recall any Bush saying anything like this... [/quote] First obamacare is retarded, in its implications and purpose, they FORCE you to buy insurance. Not the samething. Rockafella is a perfect example of your unlimited capitalism. Falek..... propogates for pure capitalism which is why his opinion is biased. You know my take on this already since u feel the need to bring him back into this convo. Thomas Jefferson quote is unrelated.
[quote name='"ContrabanTheory"'] First obamacare is retarded, in its implications and purpose, they FORCE you to buy insurance. Not the samething. Rockafella is a perfect example of your unlimited capitalism. Falek..... propogates for pure capitalism which is why his opinion is biased. You know my take on this already since u feel the need to bring him back into this convo. Thomas Jefferson quote is unrelated.[/quote] Lol u got jokes about socialism, but look at every example of its implementation and see the problem is structure, as with any process if it starts wrong without proper precautions taken, it doesn't work. Plus i never declared a true socialist state, merely policies designed to be transparent and empowering to the Common man.
"It stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there's someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." "To pursue and achieve the values which his life requires - man needs self-esteem; he needs to be confident of his efficacy and worth." Ever since Jimmy Carter took over education you have been taught lies. Find out the real truth. The Democrats have always been the party of slavery that is what socialism is in a milder form and it only escalates from there by degrees. Find out how Woodrow Wilson set the blacks back by decades when he took office. Want the truth? You won't find it being told in class, you have to find it for yourself. Did You Know | National Black Republican Association
[quote name='"fayn2madness"'] "It stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there’s someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." "To pursue and achieve the values which his life requires - man needs self-esteem; he needs to be confident of his efficacy and worth." Ever since Jimmy Carter took over education you have been taught lies. Find out the real truth. The Democrats have always been the party of slavery that is what socialism is in a milder form and it only escalates from there by degrees. Find out how Woodrow Wilson set the blacks back by decades when he took office. Want the truth? You won't find it being told in class, you have to find it for yourself. Did You Know | National Black Republican Association[/quote] Well if you sacrifice willingly, there is no slave or master, if u ignore the sacrifice then whose to say you won't create the very same system. These offerings are already being collected, but the question is who is the one who requires the sacrifice, those with power or those without, and it stands within reason that to service all of mankind, no "single" group would be served. If i spoke of sacrifice, those that are thrust upon me and that of my own accord, in what way would i hold dominion over others, if there is no master then there can be no slave. "To pursue and achieve the values which his life requires - man needs self-esteem; he needs to be confident of his efficacy and worth." I agree. If u judge the democrat of today with those from the 1960's and before, then u have no such thing as tolerance or understanding, ur logic would be as flawed as those whom u soo deeply distrust. George Soro's is an individual not a proper representation of a group, true John Kerry had money, but the bush family has connections worth more. Mitt Romneys top campaign contributors are Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse the two out of three banks that are tax havens for atleast 24 Trillion dollars. Btw which candidate got the most coverage?....Can't be Romney lol Btw if ur soo republican what's your take on Bush?
Who Really Gets Rich Off High Gas Prices? http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/
The workers needed Unions when we didn't have laws... now we have laws and don't need unions. You can accept the terms of employment or not. If they can't hire anyone they can change the terms within the law. The Unions steal employees money every paycheck just like clockwork. They do nothing for the employees and the bosses make more than most of the CEO's they vilify. Why do you support them and bash CEO's? I've worked for 4 unions and they are a bunch of bullies and do nothing to help employees. They just make it harder to get work. I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation Margaret Thatcher, talking to Women's Own magazine, October 31 1987 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc
Deadly the guy lied. You cannot play with those who don't play fair unless you want to sink with them get as dirty as they are. I won't deal with it, I won't tolerate it. Got any corrupt politicians in Jolly old England? Here we go. Top Ten Convicted Felons and Shady Characters in Barack Obama's Life Who really controls all the money hmmmm? Why did George Soros Just Sell All His US Bank Stocks and Buy Gold? - AgainstCronyCapitalism.org and ain't those libs just the most kind hearted caring folks? Senator Clarifies Remark Telling Troops To and did I share this one yet? biggest shocker of all just about but who would have ever thunk it? Who Really Gets Rich Off High Gas Prices?
[quote name='"fayn2madness"']Deadly the guy lied. You cannot play with those who don't play fair unless you want to sink with them get as dirty as they are. I won't deal with it, I won't tolerate it. Got any corrupt politicians in Jolly old England? Here we go. Top Ten Convicted Felons and Shady Characters in Barack Obama's Life Who really controls all the money hmmmm? Why did George Soros Just Sell All His US Bank Stocks and Buy Gold? - AgainstCronyCapitalism.org and ain't those libs just the most kind hearted caring folks? Senator Clarifies Remark Telling Troops To and did I share this one yet? biggest shocker of all just about but who would have ever thunk it? Who Really Gets Rich Off High Gas Prices?[/quote] Lied.... you speak of corruption but only point the blame, instead of realizing that your Sacred ideology is just as vulnerable to it. I oppose Corruption regardless of origin. If u wanna discuss something then quit pretending that anyone who differs in beliefs are anything but just. You have already clearly demonstrated how Capitalism and Socialism fall prey to corruption, how a Constitution can be ignored, btw I have never advocated AGAINST a Constitution, only in its Application. Take it as you will....label me as you wish but remember the only reason a common understanding could not be reached is because of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5kpWrRU9zCg Ayn Rand understood and appreciated the difference between a society that functions based on sacrifice (the irrational practice of throwing virgins in the well) and one that functions based on investment (rational self-interest-driven value-for-value interactions and exchanges by free individuals). We get what we value, how we value it, and why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vdnY8r7_fLw "We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away." - Zhuangzi "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." - Barack Obama $300 million taxpayer investment in Solyndra sold for This guy has some ideas... Amazon.com: The Coming Collapse of the American Republic: And what you can do to prevent it (9781461122531): Robert A. Hall: Books
Boom and Bust Banking-Causes and Cures \t\t\t\tBy Carl Close | Wednesday September 5, 2012 at 11:24 AM PDT\t\t\t\t\t \t\t\t\t \t\t\t\t\t 14 2 The twenty-first century opened with optimism, as first the technology sector and then the housing sector boomed. But then came the financial crisis and the Great Recession-the worst economic malaise since the 1930s. Why, after several decades of economic stability, did the business cycle return with such force? Most attempts to answer this question have neglected the impact of the most powerful economic actor on the world stage today: the Federal Reserve. In the new Independent Institute book Boom and Bust Banking: The Causes and Cures of the Great Recession, editor David Beckworth and eleven other economists remedy this deficiency by explaining why the U.S. central bank bears most of the blame for the calamity. After explaining how the Fed created the Great Boom and the Great Recession, the book proposes fundamental reforms-monetary regime change-to avoid future cycles of boom and bust. The Federal Reserve, the book shows, precipitated an unsustainable housing bubble; the misaligned incentives in the financial system merely amplified the effects of the Fed's easy monetary policy. The Fed also took the wrong tack when the economy began to contract: it tightened monetary policy at a time when the demand for money was increasing rapidly. Instead of dealing with this increase in money demand, the Fed focused on becoming “lender of last resort†on a scale so vast that it became a central planner of credit allocation. Because the Federal Reserve is a monetary superpower with global influence, its policies contributed to the boom and bust cycle in other countries. The book's detailed examination of these and related topics illuminates issues that most analysts and policymakers have misunderstood. If we are to avoid repeats of the Fed's mistakes, we must adopt a better approach to monetary policy. Exactly what that approach should be is a matter of debate. Some contributors to Boom and Bust Banking argue that the U.S. central bank should adopt a monetary rule aimed at stabilizing total current-dollar spending, a policy that might have avoided the Great Boom and Great Recession. Others are skeptical that such a rule would be adequate to prevent future banking crises, given the information constraints and political incentives of central banks as well as the public's perception that large insolvent banks would continue to be bailed out. The final chapter makes the case for a radical alternative to central banking: free banking with competitive note issue. Under such a system, individual banks would know on a daily basis, via the level of interbank clearings, whether to increase or decrease their issuance of banknotes in response to changes in money demand; and collectively their actions would tend to stabilize total current-dollar spending. “Boom and Bust Banking is a serious book for anyone who has a serious interest in learning why the financial meltdown of 2008 occurred, and what kind of reforms would be necessary to assure that we don't experience a repeat episode.†-Jerry L. Jordan, former President, Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland Boom and Bust Banking: The Causes and Cures of the Great Recession, edited by David Beckworth (The Independent Institute, 2012) Read the book summary. Read the Introduction by David Beckworth (pdf).