World Wide Politics, All Welcome, have your say

Discussion in 'Politics' started by deadlystead, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. basically my friend and me like to air views on certain political subjects and instead of taking this subject, which most find boring, into our respective threads ,we'd decided to start a thread toair our views....

    say as you will but please keep it respectful as ladies will be frequenting this thread....

    im a british male and would just like to say i think this world is being run by a bunch of crooks to further the wealth and strengths of a select few, i also believe in secret societys, freemasons, so on and so fgorth having puppets in places of power to corrupt and ruin this world... my thoughts would anyone want to add anything, feel free:wave::wave::wave:
  2. #2 fayn2madness, Aug 4, 2012
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    I believe there is always a group of evil minded powerful individuals out there Trying their damned' est to figure and finagle alliances that would work to enslave all men to a cause and collective of their choosing, enriching only those in power. These types are all over the world in the form of Dictators and the very reason why it wouldn't come together. UN tries so hard and People like Bill, W, Ovomit and AlWhore hand it to those who would dictate to us the limits on our Natural Born Rights. I contend that who the finger points to is exactly those who are not of that ilk. Blaming and finger pointing is designed to discredit those in opposition and to take the view off of the guilty.
    Always in history, the evil gathers the common man against those who are better off and destroys all that was available to build the looter up.

    take note of this

    Please think on this analysis a bit.

    From Second Handers Ayn Rand

    Notice how they’ll accept anything except a man who stands alone. They recognize him at once . . . . There’s a special, insidious kind of hatred for him. They forgive criminals. They admire dictators. Crime and violence are a tie. A form of mutual dependence. They need ties. They’ve got to force their miserable little personalities on every single person they meet. The independent man kills them—because they don’t exist within him and that’s the only form of existence they know. Notice the malignant kind of resentment against any idea that propounds independence. Notice the malice toward an independent man.
    Isn’t that the root of every despicable action? Not selfishness, but precisely the absence of a self. Look at them. The man who cheats and lies, but preserves a respectable front. He knows himself to be dishonest, but others think he’s honest and he derives his self-respect from that, second-hand. The man who takes credit for an achievement which is not his own. He knows himself to be mediocre, but he’s great in the eyes of others. The frustrated wretch who professes love for the inferior and clings to those less endowed, in order to establish his own superiority by comparison . . . . They’re second-handers . . . .

    They have no concern for facts, ideas, work. They’re concerned only with people. They don’t ask: “Is this true?” They ask: “Is this what others think is true?” Not to judge, but to repeat. Not to do, but to give the impression of doing. Not creation, but show. Not ability, but friendship. Not merit, but pull. What would happen to the world without those who do, think, work, produce? Those are the egoists. You don’t think through another’s brain and you don’t work through another’s hands. When you suspend your faculty of independent judgment, you suspend consciousness. To stop consciousness is to stop life. Second-handers have no sense of reality. Their reality is not within them, but somewhere in that space which divides one human body from another. Not an entity, but a relation—anchored to nothing. That’s the emptiness I couldn’t understand in people. That’s what stopped me whenever I faced a committee. Men without an ego. Opinion without a rational process. Motion without brakes or motor. Power without responsibility. The second-hander acts, but the source of his actions is scattered in every other living person. It’s everywhere and nowhere and you can’t reason with him. He’s not open to reason.

    After centuries of being pounded with the doctrine that altruism is the ultimate ideal, men have accepted it in the only way it could be accepted. By seeking self-esteem through others. By living second-hand. And it has opened the way for every kind of horror. It has become the dreadful form of selfishness which a truly selfish man couldn’t have conceived. And now, to cure a world perishing from selflessness, we’re asked to destroy the self. Listen to what is being preached today. Look at everyone around us. You’ve wondered why they suffer, why they seek happiness and never find it. If any man stopped and asked himself whether he’s ever held a truly personal desire, he’d find the answer. He’d see that all his wishes, his effo
    rts, his dreams, his ambitions are motivated by other men. He’s not really struggling even for material wealth, but for the second-hander’s delusion—prestige. A stamp of approval, not his own. He can find no joy in the struggle and no joy when he has succeeded. He can’t say about a single thing: “This is what I wanted because I wanted it, not because it made my neighbors gape at me.”

    “The Nature of the Second-Hander,”
    For the New Intellectual, 69
  3. Of course Lobbyists always need money to buy off the politicians. If ya got it ta burn I reckon this would be as good a place as any to burn it.
    Got this email today thought it was worth a signing so I'm passing it on.

    When is the last time you clicked on a website, chatted on Facebook, bought something off the Internet, or watched an online video?

    If you're like most Americans, you take the speed, easy access, and relative privacy and anonymity of the Internet for granted.

    But, thanks to the menacing schemes of out-of-control government bureaucrats, I'm afraid all that could come to a crashing halt.

    So won't you please add your name to the list of signers to Campaign for Liberty's Internet FREEDOM MANIFESTO?

    It's absolutely critical I reach 100,000 signers by the month's end

    So I'm counting on you to add your name, forward this email to at least five of your friends, and - if possible - make a generous contribution, as well.

    The Internet and associated technology have revolutionized communication and created entire industries and millions of new jobs over the past 20 years.

    The iPhone App alone has created more than half-a-million jobs in the United States just since 2007!

    But while free Americans are using the technological revolution for good, statists have conjured up more sinister uses.

    Just imagine government bureaucrats armed with whatever they want to know about you right at their fingertips.

    What you read. What you watch. What you buy. What you say. Who you talk to

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    Imagine it all being tied into an intricate network combining your Internet use, your credit card purchases, your tax records, your health records . . .

    Imagine the Internet -- and with it, the entire technological revolution -- SHUT DOWN with a ball of higher taxes, government snooping, and bureaucratic red tape.

    And just consider the torrent of massive new regulatory schemes in Congress, including:

    *** The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), which would gut privacy laws and allow Internet providers and websites to hand over personal data to ANY agency in the federal government;
    *** Internet Sales Taxes designed to hike the price of goods sold over the Internet;
    *** The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), which would give the government the power to shut down any website simply because someone made the “allegation” there was a copyright violation;
    *** The Internet “Kill Switch,” which would allow the President to shut down the entire Internet at a moment's notice.
    Already, the FCC - which is supposed to assign spectrum rights through transparent, market-based auctions – is using its power to shackle new competition by REFUSING to perform its job. Spectrum is the invisible airwaves that mobile devices, broadcast television, and FM radio use to communicate.

    Private ownership of spectrum is forbidden by government.

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    And since government controls the rights, the FCC gets to pick the winners and the losers – denying marketplace entry on a whim and effectively creating the largest corporate welfare program in history

    That's not even the half of it.

    In just a few months, the United Nations is meeting to come up with even more recommendations for Internet regulations on a GLOBAL scale!

    Carmen, these are not fights you and I can afford to lose.

    But without lightning-fast response by you and me to these fights going on RIGHT NOW, I'm afraid our government will whittle away Internet speed, access, and privacy down to virtually nothing.

    And with it, strike a death blow to our liberty movement.

    After all, the Internet has been a critical tool in rallying more and more Americans to our cause over these past few years.

    That's why I'm counting on you to
    sign Campaign for Liberty's INTERNET FREEDOM MANIFESTO immediately.

    And if you can, I also hope you'll agree to
    chip in a contribution of $50, $25, or even $10.

    By signing on, you'll help show Congress just how many Americans are opposed to these radical schemes.

    But that's not all.

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    Once you sign the INTERNET FREEDOM MANIFESTO, I'll make sure you're added to a grassroots army of patriots nationwide who receive special Internet-related legislative updates.

    You see, the statists in Washington, D.C. aren't pushing just one massive bill that you and I can mobilize against, defeat, and then stop worrying about.

    You and I are going to have to stay on guard until we send the message to every Representative and Senator that if they vote to regulate, tax, or spy on us via the Internet, THEY'LL LOSE THEIR JOBS.

    As the Manifesto says:

    “As a Member of Congress, you are being put on notice.

    “Those who would seek increased taxes and regulations on the Internet and seek to further destroy online privacy and anonymity will pay a severe political price at the polls.”

    And with fights raging in Congress, the sooner you and I send this message, the better.

    But as I mentioned, I'm trying to reach 100,000 signatures in the next 30 days.

    And I'm hopeful that will just be the beginning

    There are several fights already going on in Congress. More pop up seemingly by the week.

    So there's no time to waste.

    Won't you please
    sign your INTERNET FREEDOM MANIFESTO and forward this email to at least five of your friends?

    Even if you think they may have received this email, I believe your urging can make a real difference in getting them to sign up.

    And if you can, please agree to
    chip in a contribution, as well.

    Your financial support will help me contact up to 12 million Americans, urging them to mobilize against assaults on Internet freedom.

    The more signers I get, the stronger the message you and I can send

    So please
    sign your INTERNET FREEDOM MANIFESTO and forward this email to at least five of your friends IMMEDIATELY!

    And if you can, please agree to
    chip in a contribution of $50, $25, or even $10 TODAY!
    In Liberty,
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    Matt Hawes
    Vice President

    P.S. Fights are raging in Congress right now to tax and regulate the Internet, restrict access, and ramp up government spying efforts. Should they succeed, it could strike a death blow to the liberty movement.

    That's why I'm counting on you to help me reach 100,000 signers of Campaign for Liberty's INTERNET FREEDOM MANIFESTO in the next 30 days.

    Once you sign on, I'll make sure you're added to a grassroots army who receive special Internet-related legislative updates.

    Help me prove to Congress just how many Americans are opposed to their radical schemes.

    sign your INTERNET FREEDOM MANIFESTO, forward this email to at least five of your friends
  4. I don't believe it because there's no credible evidence to suggest it's true. That's why it's a conspiracy theory.
  5. Well the global governing ideology of neoliberalism itself is probably more insidious than any conspiracy theory ever thought up. Nothing you can really do about it though.
  6. The idea here is what Can you do about it. If you think it exists, what can we as individuals do to thwart the advance?
  7. Life, Liberty,and the pursuit of happiness is a craving shared by all mankind and yet in a "Free" society We remain burdened to Wear the very chains forced upon Our fathers. National Debt, is a term arbitrarily used within the realms of Economics and Politics and yet it incurs a distinct fallacy. The truth is That One generation has no more a Right to bind another to its Debt and Incumbrances than One Man has the Right to bind another to his Will. To truly believe otherwise would be foolish for in its very Nature it ensues the Abolition of Equality. For if a Child yet unborn must Pay for the mistakes, nigh the shortsightedness of his Parents then he is already Doomed to a Life of Servitude and is beyond doubt a Slave to a System to which he was never Responsible For. If the Creation of such a System is allowed then the Ramifications of the Previous Generations Actions will Echo throughout all the Schools of thought to Such an Extent that the Degradation of their very Humanity will come into Question. In a truly Free Society, Peace is Warranted by its very Volition. All Concerns are Deliberate and Transparent, The Delegation will supersede the Debate. But in Order for these Proceedings to Begin we must first Question if we as Free people are truly Equal. Our World is One that is Abundant in Resources and yet Owned by Few. These stakes to Claim that which is the Property of all Men are without Merit and thus Immoral. If we abide by these longstanding Traditions, made by Men whom thought little of Liberty, then a Grave Injustice will no doubt Continue to Occur. The Wars of the Future will be Amongst thy fellow Man, but between that of the Well to do and of the Struggling. For what War in Our Past was not Incited First by Greed, such a thing is Unavoidable, Unless the People themselves do not Allow further Deceit, They themselves will come to Realize that such a World is Unjust and needing Retribution. Fear itself is a tool to be wielded by those whom suffer from it, The Wealthy will always Fear the Rest of Humanity because of the Obvious Contrast in Our lives, but they Must not be Allowed to Continue such act as to make Us squabble Amongst Ourselves while They enjoy the Fruits of Our Labor. Our World is One that is ever more Connected in ways previously thought Impossible, Nations no longer Dictate the Insurgence of the Human Mind. Money is too Powerful of a tool to wield in such Numbers as we See Today.Together, We the People can make such a World Possible, there will always be Opposition rest assured but there is no force More Righteous than One who cries of Freedom

    I was inspired by HBO's John Adams, Mostly Jefferson. Tell me what u think, although im sure i should rewrite it.

  8. Spread the message, vote third party and pray for gridlock. In Washington D.C. compromise is a very bad thing, when asses and elephants compromise we get TARP, the NDAA and the war in Iraq.
  9. Petition, boycott, Unite. Show just how bad things have gotten, traumatize if u have to. Don't debate, Act
  10. Changing the minds of people starts with a discussion.

    In my eyes one of the best things a person can do for the liberty movement is inform and awake others to it and the BS that is going on all around us. The more people we have yearning for the same goal the more likely we are to achieve that goal.
  11. Yes, the wealthy elite bankers and media presstitutes meet each year, a group known as the "Bilderberg Group". They secretly decide the fate of mankind behind closed doors once a year.

    "this year, we're gonna stage a terror attack, and out of that, you'll see an invasion of the Middle East, and stripping freedoms from the people".
  12. No argument

    Why do you think that and what are your sources?
  13. I wish you would rewrite it, I want to respond but it is hard to read. I'm in my 50's and do better with breaks and paragraphs, a better flow to the text. Please.
    I also wish Deadly would pop in.
  14. [quote name='"fayn2madness"']
    I wish you would rewrite it, I want to respond but it is hard to read. I'm in my 50's and do better with breaks and paragraphs, a better flow to the text. Please.
    I also wish Deadly would pop in.[/quote]

    Well each word was specifically chosen to such an extent as to convey a particular meaning although i completely understand your response, when I wrote this, I felt almost entranced to put as much emphasis as possible into this profound train of thought. To be honest Iam terrible at structuring my writing ability into something more or less coherent since i feel almost compeled to insert as much detail and passion as possible. This was originally was designed to have as many people as necessary to avoid my own delusions and ethnocenitrism.
  15. If you think it's a secret society you are being delusional. It's right in front of your eyes - we are being governed by people who govern us following the interests of where the money is, not following the best interest of their constituents.

  16. I contend, if someone is pointing fingers and naming names and screeching loudest, as to who is guilty,,,look at who's doing the pointing and screeching.
    Look at AlWhore and the frenzy he created over the last 30 years doing a bang up job in the process of discrediting the Global Science community and causing the US and Western Europe serious economic harm in the process. (Reminds me so very much of Atlas Shrugged)

    How do you know that is what they are doing? or have been doing? What are their deeds? What is their record in charity or the work they do? What is the damage and what is the benefit? What have they done?
    (we are hoping to get some European and Aussie any countries input as well, no bashing):wave:

  17. They earned it it's theirs. Get the Govt out of their pockets and they'll bring it home. Get the Govt out of their pockets and they invest it. Get the Govt out of their pockets and our cost of goods goes down.
    Get Federal regulations, (writing law outside of the Congress through bureaucracies a blatant unconstitutional act perpetrated by Congress to allow Departments to usurp the own authority) The majority of these Regulatory Departments should be done through the States without Federal Authority.

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