I doubt that. If it deters even a small percentage of welfare recipients the money saved will make up for the testing. I give drug test where I work and it can be done very cheaply. Nurse at the welfare office, couple of cheap dip strips. We buy them by the cases, they're just a couple dollars a piece. Buying by the pallets would be even cheaper.
I think JimmyHendrix pretty much debunked that in post #5. If you are willing to spend more of your tax dollars to drug test in order to keep people off food stamps than it would cost you to feed a few then your moral compass needs a little tuning. It doesnt even make good business sense,.
He didn't debunk anything. He gave information from the side that doesn't want drug testing. There's just as much info on the opposite side too. Our counties probation department charges $10 To cover their cost and even that's high. So $10 To stop someone from leaching off the government their whole life......im good with that. That's why I go by what I know. Drug tests can be done cheaply. Nurse at the health department, pallet of drug tests.....less leaches
I still cant support it because it is in effect, a violation of the persons 4th amendment rights. No searches unless probable cause that a crime has been committed. If there is a recreational or medicinal law to further protect the citizen, then there isnt even the element of crime to be added to the equation. Demanding oath or affirmation as a condition of receiving benefits is just a way to subvert the persons right to privacy. Guilty until proven innocent socialist programs aren't an acceptable way to reduce abuses in the system, even if the system in and of itself is socialist in nature. Two wrongs dont make a right. I believe that a persons right to choose to self medicate is a basic human right, though not enumerated within the Bill of Rights. I am with you to keep people from abusing the system, I just think drug testing is the wrong way to go about it. The tell here, is the almost complete absence of the mention of drugs besides marijuana, which is less of a drug than caffeine and sugar, both of which can be purchased with a food stamp card.
I ts tax payers money they don’t care how much it cost politicians don’t know what the word budget means
What 7 states discovered after spending more than $1 million drug testing welfare recipients The overwhelming majority of people on welfare are poor. And they do not have the extra income for drugs. It is just a waste of tax dollars.
It is a hand up not a hand out, should be drug and ability to work tested Should draw blood, test for everything. Everyone on this site has fooled a piss test .
The overwhelming majority are lazy milking the system. Drug test every last one of them. 1 million dollars is only a drop in the bucket. That's cheap compared to all the leaches sucking the system dry wasting millions and millions, if not billions of dollars
if you don't want drug tested don't get on welfare that's the person's choice. They choose to be on welfare they better be clean. It's not a violation. No different then voluntarily taking a job that drug tests. They want paid, they should be drug tested, just like the millions of employed workers not on welfare that get drug tested for their pay check. It's coming one way or another rather you support it or not......i support it and it's awesome, finally a step in the right direction for once.
so basically now they are probing the homeless to test if they have had a smoke of the good green. And if they fail they arnt allowed food. Sent from my SM-G900FD using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Anyone who has ever tried doing this has spent way more money administrating the program then they have saved. You can think that people on welfare should be clean all you want but your still going to spend more tax dollars testing than leaving it alone. Personally I would chose the cheaper option
I have a better Idea. Let's round up everyone who owns shares in PPCs and also writes legislation or lobbies for the drug testing of the poor. We can drug test these assholes instead and everyone of the hypocrites who pops positive gets kicked in the face by a poor person.
I support drug testing for welfare... but i think alcohol and nicotine should also be tested. if you have $40 a week to spend on alcohol, cigs, pot, or any other drug.. you have no right to ask other hard working tax payers to help finance your food or other bills. For those who make the claim "drug testing is costing us more than we're saving" .. i strongly disagree. Sure there are people who test positive who do not receive assistance. That's saving. But there's also hundreds per state (possibly thousands) who won't even take the time to apply because they know they will test positive. That's saving on a few different fronts.
Cost of testing in MO is $336,297... Average welfare benefit in MO is ~$29,000. If MO discourages or prevent 12 or 13 drug users from receiving welfare, they just broke even. If they prevent 14 drug users.. they just saved money.
Its hard to measure future users of the system but it has cost way more than it saved for states that have tried it. But one thing people forget is that poor addicts tend to be homeless and you generally need a fix address to qualify for any benfits
numbers don't lie .. all you have to do is 1) find out how much it's costing the state (pretty easy to do.. some states are mentioned on the front page of this post). 2) find out how many tested positive (which disqualifies them from receiving money) 3) find out what the average payout per applicant who qualifies is. based on the numbers i'm seeing.. every single state is saving money thanks to drug testing. those numbers don't even talk about the amount of drug users it prevented from applying in the first place.
No they havent. It hasn't been tried until recently. Drug testing is much cheaper then the burden of lazy ass' making the welfare system their career choice.
It's not just homeless on welfare. The vast majority of welfare recipients are not homeless and are able to hold jobs, but the welfare system makes it too easy to leach off the tax payers.
It's super easy for the homeless to fake an address. A fixed address can be a friend or family member, the shelter, or just a random address in some cases.