Why make oil/butter after decarb?

Mohamza · Jan 11, 2013

With decarb cannabis is ready for eaten so why then make butter or oil when you could just eat like herb? Is more potent after make butter? Or is just to remove thc from plant material?

Jojo0420 · Jan 11, 2013

Your body will absorb very little of the THC directly. It needs to be absorbed into something your body will digest, fat or alcohol being the best choices.

Dr. Sheldon Cooper · Jan 11, 2013

I'll let BKS take it from here:

BadKittySmiles said:

It's not only in the activation, the most effective edibles are also highly bioavailable... which, even activated, cannabis glandular material is not.

The edible solvents we use serve two important purposes; they break down cannabis glandular material into
particles small enough to be absorbed, and secondly, they create a bioavailable solution, coating those particles,
creating a 'vehicle' for cannabinoid/chemical delivery.
Our edible solvents, oil, alcohol and glycerin, effect cellular permeability: they facilitate absorption.

Without a 'vehicle', or without being properly processed into a solution, cannabinoids for the most part
'bounce off' cellular walls, rather than passing through them, and instead of being delivered to the blood stream,
much of your potency passes through the digestive tract, going 'in one end, and out the other' without absorption!

The below is an excerpt from one of my tutorials, for -medical grade cannabis concentrate-;

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Medical Grade Cannabis Concentrate: Edible & Smokable

Cannabis glandular material is notoriously difficult for the body to absorb, even if it has been activated, and even when it
is in the form of a sticky filtered concentrate, such as BHO, or Rick Simpson's Oil.

It needs a 'vehicle' such as oil, glycerin, or even alcohol, which drastically improves cellular permeability, in order to provide
you with the most absorption and the strongest sensations.

The above 'water' could be brownie mix, it could be a beverage, or it could simply be the extra contents of your stomach
after swallowing canna oil as it is, or inside of a capsule.

When you process in oil gently, for long enough, a solution is formed in such a way when the solvent (in this case, oil) creates
a persistent 'coat' on the broken down particles of the solute (cannabis glandular material)... once this occurs, you have
a bioavailable 'solution'.

In other words, we choose the edible solvents we do, not only because they are effective at breaking down cannabis
glandular material, but because they help our bodies absorb it!

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The specific oil source that you choose, even directly dictates where in the body, your oil is absorbed.... this is why the
quality of oil matters, as well.

Unless you know for a fact that your liver does not function properly, and that it consistently over-metabolizes both
food and medications, you should start with medium-chain containing oils such as coconut oil and palm kernal oil,
or to a lesser extend, clarified butter.

These oils deliver potency via the portal vein and liver, where a kind of chemical conversion takes place as the liver
metabolizes the oil, causing the majority of the D9-THC to convert to the more powerful 11-OH-THC!!

Choose the wrong oil, however, and you miss out on most, if not all of that conversion... which results in a much
weaker, shorter-lived experience.

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Common kitchen cooking oils such as olive, corn, canola and soy should be avoided, due to their long-chain

triglyceride content, UNLESS you are one of the very rare people with a liver that consistently over-metabolizes

cannabinoids. In this case I would suggest using either olive, grapeseed (low temps only), or sesame oils, because long-chain

cooking oils promote lymphatic absorption, meaning they almost entirely bypass the liver all together.

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Also, it is a little known fact that you can achieve a RANGE of effects and results, depending how well you activate

your material, and depending how bioavailable your oil is.

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A single strain, is **not** limited to providing only a 'single type' of experience when it is eaten, like it generally provides when it

is smoked.

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Edible cannabis can be more like vaporization, it can provide a range of experiences depending how you treat it, and the

possibilities can be much greater than smoking, or even vaping!

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The below describes the 'range' of effects provided by different levels of activation, their benefits, and the desired outcome for the

patients who choose them.

Starting with:

The least activation, producing a bioavailable solution of mostly carboxyl-intact acid components; Continuing right through to

decarboxylation, and active cannabinoids and chemicals, free of their carboxyl groups; And finally finishing with

degradation and the byproducts of degraded THC.

1.) - Some patients require 'inactive' but bioavailable THCA, CBNA, CBDA and the other (to us) 'inactive acids', and in

flowers those doses can range from .05g to as high as 4.5g, without 'doping up' or intoxicating a patient much, if at all even

at the highest doses. These are cold tinctures, processed with material that is as fresh as possible, without decarbing.

Cold, but most importantly bioavailable extractions (more than just 'juicing' plant matter is required!), provide powerful

anti-cancer/mutagenic, anti-seizure/spasmodic benefits and they provide wonderful pain relief without reducing sensation

of touch, they reduce swelling and inflammation even in lower doses, and especially at higher doses, and they provide especially

wonderful relief for specifically for MS, Parkinson's, as well as for generally frail patients, and also for those suffering

from seizures.

Where it takes literally only a day or two to build up a tolerance to the highest of doses, and these oils and tinctures do

not make a person feel overwhelmed, they are wonderful for treating patients who suffer from very powerful seizures,

and similar attacks. Cannabis is incredibly non-toxic, an incredibly larger dose may be given to both provide relief, and

to control the symptoms of more intense attacks, preventing further injury.

These oils and tinctures are also somewhat mood elevating, but still, for the most part it's without that medicated feeling.

You will have very good pain relief, without losing your sensation of touch.

2.) - The first sensations (following a cold tincture that has had no activation) of an oil or tincture with only limited or partial activation

and decent bioavailability, are primarily cerebral.

In higher doses, these under-processed edibles can cause some mild anxiety and even paranoia in some patients; hyperventilating,

'room-spins', racing-mind/thoughts, even vomiting, these are not uncommon side-effects of over-consumption of THC

and trace amounts of THCA, when they are consumed in quantity, minus some of the important experience-regulating byproducts,

of degradation.

3.) - Then, some patients want to feel relaxed, nicely buzzed but still functional, and they need something that elevates their

mood without gluing them to the couch. In which case edibles decarbed and processed in oil, as described in most of

the tutorials here, are a great place to start.

For those first starting out with edibles, I make sure their first few doses are about half of what they'd normally smoke in

a single session, or in a single day if they are heavy smokers. Once they know what to expect, the average dose most

people are satisfied with (but at the sane time they are not too overwhelmed by), is right around the same amount used in a

24 hour period. It's strong enough to either keep them from smoking quite as much in a day, or it actually out-right replaces

their smoking for the day.

So if you smoke a gram a day, you'll want to eat between a half gram, to a gram in a well-processed edible. I like to split

my daily dose into two to three smaller doses. Sometimes I take them in quick succession, sometimes I spread them

out, and finish with a 'sleeper'... Deciding what level of processing you need, can be the tricky part.

4.) - The longer you heat in oil (to a certain extent, up to four or five hours), the more 'body intensive' the sensations

will become, without a noticeable diminish in potency.

At these levels of activation you have highly effective pain relief, that can sometimes be powerful enough to effect

sensitivity to touch.... for instance if you have a low tolerance, you may notice that you become clumsy, or 'loose and wobbly'

on well-activated oil, you may lose some sensation of touch.

Four to six hours in oil at 220 f, or longer,

and I'm either stuck to the couch, or falling fast asleep!

5.) Any longer than a few hours at such temperatures will reduce THC content. But while 'perceived potency' diminishes, and

the ratio of THC begins to fall, the material becomes overloaded with byproducts of degraded THC, primarily in the form of

delta-8-THC and CBN, and when combined they are powerfully sedative.

While their effects may seem weak during the time you can keep your eyes open, these oils and tinctures usually knock a patient

out cold within 45 - 60 minutes, leaving them well rested upon waking the following morning (or afternoon)!

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TL;DR :

Long story short, if you have a VERY low tolerance, and you don't have regular access to quality oils,
you can feel 'some' amount of sensation from eating ENOUGH raw cannabis.

But a person or patient whose body is accustom to the regular, rapid and reliable delivery provided by
quality medical grade oils, or regular frequent smoking, will generally feel nothing from even
under-processed edibles such as firecrackers, due to their reduced bioavailability, almost regardless how
much material is used to make them.
The 'worst-case-scenario' quickie edibles (and raw cannabis), simply can not keep up with the rate of
delivery provided by a quality oil.

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Hope this helps clear things up a bit.
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Jojo0420 · Jan 11, 2013

DrSheldonCooper said:

I'll let BKS take it from here:
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Well played Dr. Cooper.
Well played.

Dr. Sheldon Cooper · Jan 11, 2013

Jojo0420;16874592 said:

Well played Dr. Cooper.
Well played.
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Just helping to spread the knowledge she has given me over the last year here. Glad to help. Would explain it myself, but clearly she can explain it better than I ever could.

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