Why I am voting yes on I-502. Wa state.

Here in WA you can get a dui for any actual/perceived overwhelming influence. Too tired, too emotionally upset, anything else. And frankly IMO, it's not a bad thing. Many, many encounters with traffic court and never have I had a cop even threaten a dui for bud though.

If you've ever experianced that Scattered brain, can't focus on 1 thing for more then a few seconds, then weed dui doesn't seem that crazy. Can't say it's purely a rookie thing. I've been smoking daily for nearly 2 decades and don't believe in Tbreaks yet experiance it monthly, at the least

All that said, I'm not entirely positive I'm for full legalization, I won't be voting. IMO giving it to patients and decriminalized for the rest of us is my ideal outcome.

 

So it sounds hypothetical. In actuality, they would already do that if they could. People use drugs, the police know that. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean they can't acknowledge that fact. They already have DUI laws. Nothing suggests that they would get harsher because cannabis would be legal. They would almost definitely (STILL) have to arrest you and bring you in first to test you.

Anyway, I'd rather be blood tested that urine tested for the purpose of ascertaining intoxication. Everything I've read suggests that the most commonly tested-for THC metabolites are only detectable at drug testing levels for 6 hours after use, whereas with a piss test, I could pop positive more than a week later. I can wait a couple more hours if I had to (not that I would, since I don't generally do anything I can be arrested for when I drive). They could use a finger stick to draw just enough blood to test, and from my experience (having them done twice a week), finger sticks aren't a huge inconvenience pain-wise.

 

What is the name of the doctor in WA who is spreading the false info? I'll contact the state board.

You damn well can grow tobacco and sell it - you're not of the understanding that the big cig companies are actually the ones growing it do you? All you need is a license. There's a big difference between "decriminalized" and "regulated".

 

You would fall in the category of those who still have faith in mankind and trust that it will eventual go the way you and others want/think it will, experience tells us diffrently though.

Logical common sence even science or economics beliefs might change someone,s will.Belittling Adults with your childish halfwitted blatherskite is convincing me even more to vote no because of how the way it's effecting people's behavior toward people who dont agree with them.instead of trying to convince people with above mentioned you resort to childish behavior which only results in prooving your oppositions belief's!

 

I didn't think his post was childish in any manner. Your's however does seem to fall into that category. If you don't understand what he's talking about, take a good look at the shit that's going down in CA right now - there's not going to be a ballot initiative because of this squabbling about little bullshit details.

 

First off: Learn to use proper punctuation, periods and spelling when insulting the intellect of someone else.

Oh and I'm the childish one because I said what needed to be said? I'll say it again. If you're a mmj patient, dispensary operator, or grower and you'd seek to keep this plant illegal for everyone else purely due to selfish personal or economic reasons that makes you possibly the worst kind of hypocrite. When the feds shut down YOUR dispensary don't come crying to me. I still need to worry about the local goon squad busting down the door and shooting me cause a neighbor reported suspicious activities or something.

 

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic, do you really think they are gonna take out a needle and draw your blood on the side of the road? If they did I'm sure many would sue after passing it or contracting infection from dirty pig needles

 

Were not in school but maybe you are and that's important to you

All i know is you are not going to get anyone on your side, your dong well for the prohibisionist, Most adults see attitudes like your's and think that's what happenes when u smoke too much pot.

No self respecting activist would use insults to get thier point acrossed it damages the very thing there trying to acomplish.

 

Well normally I wouldn't use insults(I'm pretty sure you're the one who insulted me). Just occasionally I get rather frustrated by the apparent lack of progress caused by the bickering and complacency inside the legalization movement. It seems like a bunch of people throw a fit and vote down the proposition unless every little thing is perfect. Life is about compromises and as things are even a somewhat flawed legalization bill is better than no legalization bill.

Considering that fact why do so many people oppose it then? Well most of the problems actually seem to come from the MMJ community itself. Some seek to protect their livelihood and therefor want to maintain the status quo. Other people do have somewhat legitimate concerns about DUI limits or growing limits. They might actually be MORE restricted than they are now under current MMJ laws. My only point is that we need to take some kind of action or the feds/big pharma will. The way things are right now is unsustainable long-term. Things will either get more or less restrictive.

Think of it this way. Assume that a legalization initiative is passed and overall it's a success. Will it really be that hard to amend or improve certain parts of it down the road? This is about making history and beginning the undoing of many decades of oppression.

Anyway you wonder why I might get mad and sling insults? I read posts like this beauty. Basically it says "I already got mine so IDC about everyone else"
http://forum.grasscity.com/general-...a-legalization-initiatives-strapped-cash.html
"This is the reason I don't care if it gets legalized. I have my 215 card an there not going to take that away. It sucks to be everyone one else that is fighting for legalization. You have all the patients that already did there fight for medical so y do it again fore legalization"

 

As Visionary said, I agree

If you want something legal, you have cooperate. It is a business itself anyways, so there always going to be things that are unfair.

As my favorite rapper once said "Whoever Said Illegal Was The Easy Way Out Couldn't Understand The Mechanics"

 

Although i dont entirely agree with everything you said.the point that you made about" the undoing of many decades of oppression" makes me think that it's better to get it started even if it takes another 80 years to get it fixed like they just fixed alcohol laws 6 month's ago now the people can sell it and make money of the sales of hard drink.so basicly we get it legalized and in another 80 years we'll be able to grow it and sell it and make some money off it.i guess it's better to get the ball rolling now then later.

From what i understand you realize it will take along, long time and it's better to start now then later cos it will just take that much more time.and i do realize alot of other states already have liquor being sold in regular stores just not all of them.

Im leaning on a yes vote now after talking to people in my life and arguing with people like above and understanding them better and after visiting the leap website.i read till 6 am about 4 hours there lol.good convincing stuff there!

 

Yeah it takes a lot of time to even start undoing all of the damage caused by stuff like this. Even after prohibition of alcohol was repealed federally there were states and counties that held out for decades more. In Utah we had to put up with ridiculous stuff like private club laws and we still have our socialist state run liquor stores. It's weird as hell cause their goal is to make money for the state, but at the same time they aren't allowed to really advertise or actively encourage more drinking. Basically we can expect somewhat crappy legalization bills at first and then it might take another decade or so after being passed before they're refined and work properly.

Personally I'm still holding onto hope that we might possibly get some form of medical program here, but that seems extremely unlikely in the near future. I mean 50% of the population would vote no automatically just cause the local theocracy doesn't approve of it.

 

Sorry for the run on sentences.

I am a resident of Washington, and also a medical cannabis patient. I have read a lot about I-502, and seen the reaction to it. I have actually gone back and forth on whether or not this was worth voting for, but in the end, I feel it would cause more harm to NOT pass it. It is unfortunate that it so often comes down to that.

I do worry about what 502 will ultimately do to the medical cannabis system that many have yet to understand. My concerns lie largely in the thought that with a shifted focus from medical to fully legal, the laws put in place to protect medical patients will no longer be proactively supported.

As many have pointed out, there is also interest in sobriety testing should you get pulled over. I've heard rumors about blood testing, saliva testing, (and less often) urine testing, but I have yet to either see the reality in action (thankfully) or even a first hand account. The question also remains about an appropriate level, as one who regularly consumes cannabis will have a higher blood level for a longer amount of time than someone who smokes once a month. This means a large percentage of medical users. What if a patient is prescribed marinol several times a day was pulled over? Would they face the same prosecution as another fellow who drank 6 beers and insisted he had to get his car home? It seems that there are many factors which may not be legally admissible, such as the circumstances. Furthermore, judges hands are often tied to minimum sentencing rules, also regardless of the circumstances.

If legalization does occur, I forsee a large movement by the police, etc to enforce the new rules. And harshly. After all, the state can't risk going to hell (some do think that) immediately after passing laws allowing it. I think that many legit medical patients will find themselves caught up in this enforcement, not intentionally perhaps, but as collateral damage.

We could sit and come up with "what-ifs" until voting day comes. The fact of the matter is, it will not be perfect initially. It will take wrongful arrests and rights violations, etc for the law to be challenged as insufficient or outright wrong. State Supreme Court cases don't have a habit of happening in a week. The reality is that it will be up to all of us (patient or not) to be particularly mindful to what is happening, and immediately call attention to flaws. Don't think that this initiative is going to change the world (or state, as it were). It is merely the beginning of a process that will be happening for years.

 

Wait.. you can legally drive high in that state if you have a MMJ card?

I personally think that's kind of a bad thing >.>.. If this bill adds a DUI type thing for marijuana, that's a good thing.

 

I didn't say that you can drive high if you have a mmj auth. I was attempting to draw attention to the fact that the question of how to enforce has not been answered.

I agree fully. If you smoke, don't drive. If you drink, don't drive. Of course, the same goes for other substances. The concern arises when you have a regular user with built up blood levels. How do you accurately test these individuals for a psychoactive level?

Having a medical authorization does not allow you to drive while influenced. Period. This goes for prescribed narcotics and benzodiazepines (valium, ativan), as well as medicinal cannabis.

 

Your rep say guru. Think of wiser things to say. This could completely take my ability to drive myself around? I have tons of appointments with no one to take me. Your saying I should get on the bus instead of driving myself?

Stay in your state.

Edit:This was harsh after reading through it. Sorry... just think about how your opinions affect other people is all.

 

umm cannabis is always in our body....so i am going to jail