Which is worse?

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  1. The U.N.\'s rape of the innocents
    Michelle Malkin (archive)


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    Kofi Annan must have the world\'s thickest set of industrial-quality earplugs.

    How else can he block out the cries of Congolese girls raped by United Nations \"peacekeepers\" sent to protect the innocents from harm?


    Fifty U.N. peacekeepers and U.N. civilian officers face an estimated 150 allegations of sexual exploitation and rape in the Congo alone. Last Friday, ABC\'s \"20/20\" program aired a devastating expose by investigative reporter Brian Ross highlighting some of the worst alleged crimes.

    The accused include Didier Bourguet, a U.N. senior official from France charged with running an Internet pedophile ring in the Congo. According to ABC News and others, pictures taken from his personal computer contained thousands of photos of him with hundreds of girls. Police say Bourguet had turned his bedroom, plastered with mirrors and rigged with remote-control cameras, into a stealth porn studio. He was caught in a sting operation while allegedly preparing to rape a 12-year-old girl.

    In one of the photos confiscated from Bourguet, a tear can be seen rolling down the cheek of a victim.

    Hundreds of babies, fathered by U.N. personnel, have been born to Congolese girls and women -- including the 15-year-old deaf mute daughter of Aimee Tsesi, who told Ross she was turned away at the gates of the U.N. camp when she went for assistance. \"The U.N. is not able to give me food or money for my grandson,\" she told ABC News. \"But if the U.N. hadn\'t brought this soldier here, my daughter would not have become pregnant. And I would not be going through this suffering.\"

    Annan\'s spinners would have us believe that the problem of U.N. sex predators is confined to a tiny band of rogues and locals beyond the control of headquarters. But according to Bourguet\'s lawyer, there was an entire network of U.N. personnel who had sex with underage girls in Congo and the Central African Republic. Investigators are now digging into claims of U.N. infiltration by organized pedophiles.

    The Times of London reports further that two Russian pilots who served in the U.N.\'s peacekeeping contingent based in Mbandaka \"paid young girls with jars of mayonnaise and jam to have sex with them. They filmed the sessions and sent the tapes to Russia. But the men were tipped off and left the area before U.N. investigators arrived.\" The paper also reports that at least two other U.N. officials -- a Ukrainian and a Canadian -- left the Congo after getting local women pregnant.

    In July 2002, Congolese military official Jean Pierre Ondekane said that all the U.N. mission in Congo would be remembered for in the village of Kisangani was \"for running after little girls.\" Annan\'s special adviser from Jordan, Prince Zeid Raad Al Hussein, concluded last year that the \"situation appears to be one of \'zero-compliance with zero-tolerance\' throughout the mission.\"

    Human rights groups say such monstrosities have been tolerated by U.N. brass for years. Joseph Loconte noted in the Weekly Standard last month that the Congo revelations come three years after another U.N. report found \"widespread\" evidence of sexual abuse of West African refugees. Girls and women in East Timor, Cambodia and Kosovo have reported sex crimes perpetrated by U.N. peacekeepers.

    In 2001, American whistleblower Kathryn Bolkovac, a Nebraska policewoman who worked for U.N. security in Bosnia, uncovered scores of sex crime allegations and prostitution rings in the Balkans involving her fellow U.N. employees. Girls were forced to dance in bars for U.N. personnel and beaten or raped, Bolkovac reported. After being fired from her job for \"time sheet irregularities,\" she told a British tribunal that Mike Stiers, the international police task force\'s deputy commissioner, flippantly dismissed victims of human trafficking as \"just prostitutes.\"

    This mother of all humanitarian abuse scandals at the U.N. is only just beginning to pierce the world\'s conscience. Annan has trotted out a refurbished zero-tolerance policy and is trumpeting a few arrests in Morocco. But such faint-hearted damage control measures are not enough.

    It\'s time to rethink the nearly half-billion dollars in aid we send to U.N. peacekeeping operations. How much more aid must we squander on holier-than-thou wolves in do-gooders\' clothing? For the sake of the innocents raped and pillaged in the name of humanitarianism, let\'s get stingy.






    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20050216.shtml

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    The accused include Didier Bourguet, a U.N. senior official from France charged with running an Internet pedophile ring in the Congo. According to ABC News and others, pictures taken from his personal computer contained thousands of photos of him with hundreds of girls. Police say Bourguet had turned his bedroom, plastered with mirrors and rigged with remote-control cameras, into a stealth porn studio. He was caught in a sting operation while allegedly preparing to rape a 12-year-old girl. In one of the photos confiscated from Bourguet, a tear can be seen rolling down the cheek of a victim.\"


    The Americans catch sooooo, sooooo, soooo much shit for Abu Grab, where is the outcry for this? Certianly this is far, far worse. This is raping of thousands of women and girls.


    This is who were susposed to trust with our security?
     
  2. HAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, let\'s give HIM a chance to rape some women!!!

    Juanita Broaddrick said on worldwide TV last night that she was \"raped\" by now President Clinton some time in 1978. (She says she does not remember the date or even the month.)

    Here are excerpts of what she said:
    Juanita Broaddrick appears on MSNBC

    \"I first pushed him away and just told him, No, please don\'t do that ... I said, I\'m married, and I have other things going on in my life, and this is something that I\'m not interested in.\"

    \"...I tried to get away from him and I told him, No, that I didn\'t want this to happen, but he wouldn\'t listen to me.\" -MSNBC
     
  3. And here we go again...


    Please...why does everything have to relate to america? If you push it any further it will become a child\'s argumentation: \"But the neighbours\' kids did way worse than me\"

    Yes it\'s a fucking shame that some UN soldiers are fucking arseholes. As is any rapist. Be he american, european, or other. And so is a torturist, a murderer, etc...



    Edit: As for your question...both are worse
     
  4. Yea, hes a class act.

    Is that why the left so wants the UN to have more control over our policies? I see the connection now, they are all thinking with the wrong heads.

    I want the message of this thread to remain as this: This is bad, but if the US did it it would be worse. This doesnt get 1/100th of the exposure that a prisoner with a pair of panties on his head got. We are war criminals, so what does that make the UN? Raping war criminals.

    So, who is worse? If the actions of a few idiot soilders shines this much negative light on the US, where is the outcry for this? This is the raping of thousands of \"peace-keeping UN soliders\", mostly french i might add.............

    So, which is worse?
     
  5. I didnt hear that when all the Abu Grab crap was posted, hell a new thread was started just today or yesterday about it. IT shines negative light on the US, so its allowed. Its ok? Is that your message Skinner? You seem to be fairly compassionate about human life, surly you agree the raping of thousands of women is worse than a few terrorist with panties and sheets on their heads?

    Here we go again? This has never been posted. How can you say that? Im willing to be if the UN soliders names were Smith and Williams every news outlet in the country would be all over it, Bush we be called worse than Hitler and probably hung. Thanks for proving the bias that is shown.....welll.......here......everywhere else.......

    Turn your head to this. Keep that blind eye on it.

    BTW, to say there both worse is not right. The UN raped thousands of girls. We scared a few terrorist while the UN scum were raping innocesnt 12 yr olds.

    Yea, they seem to be about the same.............


    Its ok for Mr Skinner and his euro comrades to push 10-15 pages of abu grab and anti american sentiment, but its \"oh here we go again\" to a post telling of the bastard UN commitng far worse war crimes than i have seen. to date in this war......

    The difference Skinner is the UN raped innocent girls while the US \"tortured\" terrorist.
     
  6. I don\'t think you got me, Gilligan...just relax...

    I didn\'t participate in any criticism of the USA because of the Abu Ghureib (that\'s how they write it here). I didn\'t because I don\'t think it has anything to do with the war. And that\'s what I criticised. The war.

    As for the \"Here we go again\": I remember several posts to defend the US, all telling about another war crime committed by another army. As far as I understand these are supposed to put America in a better light.

    Well they don\'t. But they definitely expose aome other countries, which I support. Everyone should know the truth about all war crimes and try to speak out and act against them at every occasion.

    What I was saying was: Don\'t use others\' fault to justify yours...
     
  7. Thats Some Fucked Up Shit. Id Beat The Shit Out Of Someone If I Knew They Were Fuckin With A Little Kid.....and Rapin One.....hell No, Id Fuckin Shank Your Ass And Make You Bite The Curb. Gilligan.....why Wont This Geta Lot Of Exposure? You Know If Americans Were Doin It, The Whole World Would Be On Our Ass So Fast. Fuck This Shit, These Foreigners Get On My Fuckin Nerves. Rapin Innocent Kids......thats The Lowest Thing You Can Do, Thats Why Youre Fucked If You Go To Prison For Child Molestation. Even Those Muthafuckers Got Respect And Will Try To Kill You When The Guards Let Them Know Whats Up
     
  8. I dunno what magazines you\'re reading and what TV channels you\'re watching, but it did actually get a lot of attention here....

    I think you americans are just a bit on the paranoid side :wave:


    Edit: I do understand how you americans are tired of being criticized and I actually quit criticizing you on these boards. But the world can\'t stop pointing fingers at wrongdoers because they\'re \'tired of hearing\' it...
     
  9. Yes, but the world can ease up when the guilty country isnt the US.

    Honestly Skinner, can you IMAGINE what the reaction would be if this exact situation was involving the US.

    This involves the raping of THOUISANDS of innocent and underage girls. After Abui Grab, people were calling for Bush and Rumsfield to be tried for War Crimes.

    Add this to the worldside downplay of the oil-for food scandle, the genocide that is happening under the UN watch in Sudan and Rawanda, and them apointing nations like Iraq, Iran, and Syria to human rights commitees, The curruption of Kofi Anon\'s son, and we are SUSPOSED to trust this organization with World Safety? After Abu Grab, there were massive outcries by alot of people here, multiple threads about it, a new one was created DAYS ago, this is what, a year after it happened, and were still talking about it.

    What is happening the the Congo is in my view a worse humanitarian offense getting less coverage. You can not kid yourself, you know what YOU would be typing had this involved Americans.
     

  10. I THINK YOU NEED...as cute and smiley as this was made to be, it still wasn\'t cool so it was edited out...*RMJL :wave:
     
  11. Thats one of the best things i have read in a while. But, everyone thinks everyone else is an idiot. I think people are idiots and people think im an idiot. Who is the Authority on idioticy? We should vote em off like surviver.


    Im glad i read el Producto\'s post before it was edited :hello::hello::hello::hello::hello::hello:. I feel that way sometimes too.


    Skinner, what are you sterotyping all Americans as being paranoid of? Being raped by a UN solider? I feel confident in my ability to defend myself from them.

    This thread just shows the bias of the media and even the members of this forum. Where is the humanitarian outrage? Where is the demand for Kofi to be tried for War Crimes? Where is the UN should pull out of Africa cries? Why is it \"here we go again\"?

    I am doing with this exactly what the world did with a less severe situation in Iraq. Using it to smear the UN. Its sad the media wont do it, its left up to people like myself to slap people in the face with information they wont get here.

    Funny thing is, this has been going on for a long time. I did a little research and found the same thing happening in Sudan, it was reported over a year ago. This is just another in a series of events the world seems to be ignoring.
     

  12. Oh bloody hell....you\'re the NUMBER ONE paranoid american!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry about the generalisation....Luke...I take your point...

    Gilligan...I\'ll spell it out for you so maybe you get it:

    You\'re so paranoid because you think the whole world hates you because they criticise you. Get it now? We don\'t hate america. We love you. But there are some thongs that have to be criticised. And everytime we do, you get paranoid and instead of taking the criticism and saying \"ok...we\'ll try and do something about it\" you try to defend yourselves against the criticism.

    If you had posted this link without saying you are worse than us, I wouldn\'t have reacted at all. I would have totally agreed with you.

    But once again...you post this as a defense for America. Well...it isn\'t. Once again:

    You can\'t justify your own faults by pointing at others\' faults...
     
  13. That is correct, but when your problems are flung in your face, brought up in every argument, it makes ya feel real good to fling some well diserved criticism back in the face of others.

    Like i said, skinner, This has been going on for years, not 1 post about it. This involves the raping of innocent underage girls.

    We mentally torture a few POWS, and the world screams, and screams, and screams at us. A post was made about it just a few days ago skinner, a year after it happened. Now do you see a bias here?

    Actually i dont think the world hates us, they just hate Bush.

    Edit: I think the world hates our way of life.
     

  14. My point exactly...

    But once again...about the paranoid part...all I said is what you quoted just now...if you\'re not paranoid, how come so many of you lashed out at me? Someones post was even censored...

    That\'s paranoia...or a lack of reflection...


    That\'s what I called infantile...


    Yes, I do. Totally. And I understand you\'re pissed. But you should know better than trying to point out others\' fault to make yours\' less. I never criticize others to make me look better. But you did. And that\'s what I pointed out. And got fucking jumped for it...thanks a lot...
     
  15. Thats being tired of being generalized and sterotyped.


    Thats the only thing i wrote on the first post. I didnt use this to validate our actions in Iraq, to validate our wrong doing, i did it to compare the two situations. What about that quote is untrue?

    Im comparing the raping of innocent women to the torturing of POWS and asking a question.

    Quote the point in which i tried to validate our actions? Please.

    Imma stear this ship back to my purpose:

    The UN is guilty of Raping Thousand of innocent and underage girls. Any thoughts?
     

  16. Your comparison is a way of downsizing the american gov\'s faults. By asking which is worse you expect us to say the UN is worse, which makes ths US look better...


    As I said...I agree...it\'s a fucking shame. How can you trust the world when the people who supposedly should rescue you from evil are the next to committ evil.

    The thing that gets me the most is that it has gone on for several years and noone reacted. There have to be some decent soldiers who speak out against it...how come they haven\'t been taken seriously before?
     
  17. I have noticed an alarming trend in sexual abuse cases over the last few years involving authority figures. Teachers, Priest. Its very disturbing.
     

  18. ACTUALLY ITS NOT ON THE FRONT NEWS OR TV HERE
     
  19. Well, which is worse skinner? Which one is worse? Raping thousands of innocent women or mentally tortuing terrorist? Which is worst skinner? Im asking a direct question. Which is worse Skinner?

    And by blowing Abu Grab out of porportion you made the US look bad.

    Which is worse Skinner?

    Heres a theory, what the UN is worse, and it makes what the US did not look as bad.
     

  20. You still don\'t get it? That\'s what I was criticising all the time....using the others\' faults to make you look better (or less evil). How many times must I repeat this?

    And as for what is worse: Both. I already said that. It\'s called philosophy...look it up.

    Why don\'t you just dig up the worst of the worst? My people killed 6,000,000 jews and countless gipsies, homosexuals, dissidents, etc. some 60+ years ago. How many times do you think people shoved thast under my nose?


    Well that ain\'t my bloody fault , ist it? Neither is it my problem...maybe you should starting to question the news coverage you get??? Or get BBC...my fav. news station. Along with Der Spiegel (weekly magazine...only in german, unfortunately)...

    But just to calm you down, guys...I haven\'t heard about Abu Ghureib in a long time on the news here...

    Btw...there\'s one thing that gets me a bit...you say Ghureib\'s getting blown way out of proportion. And you didn\'t hear about the UN scandal(s)? What does that say about your news coverage? That they\'d rather report about other countries criticising the US than show some REAL news...

    I agree that guy that posted an Abu Ghureib thread recently (I didn\'t even see it) is a bit late...and that makes posting it wrong. But a week ago someone posted a Franz Ferdinand thread and thought he was the first one to do that...not everyone\'s as updated as you are
     
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