i'm going to start this thread off with some baffling quotes i've read in this section yeah, this section has been being plagued by these nutjobs (don't really know how else to put it) lately and it's fucking hilarious but also sad, these threads and posts have nothing to do with philosophy or spirituality, this is shit that belongs on the david icke forum, or abovetopsecret believing in something that can't be proven is no different then religious fundamentalism or believing UFOs are aliens from another world, you all exhibit the same traits first off, where do you get this information? seriously i would like to know and every time i ask i get nonsense answers, and i know all's im going to get from these individuals in this thread are nonsense answers the only place i find all of this information is on websites where it's usually pictures of pyramids and constant use of terms like 'frequency' 'quantum physics' 'angels' 'chakras' 'ascension' we are all born into this universe with know knowledge of anything, all of the knowledge we accumulate is shit learned by other people, and it's been like this for everyone, there is nobody on this planet who understands the mechanics of the universe, a lot of people have ideas, which i like, but when these people take their ideas attach to them, and create vast ideologies (essentially religions, very similar) it becomes gross, it's dishonest because in honesty, none of you know anything, there are few absolutes compared to what's out there, and it is only those things that we 'know' when you go off spouting about how 'ascension is a science' you're spreading nonsense, and you're being dishonest, which is funny because dishonesty is counter-spiritual to an extreme degree everything is a perception, don't post on threads saying 'that's negative dude, that's positive' i've noticed many people look at a rational person expressing there ideas and calling them 'negative' positive = makes you happy negative = makes you upset if you're rational, things that are positive are things like honesty, things that are negative are things like dishonesty, to a hillbilly christian positive is believing in god, negative is not believing in god all of reality seems to be filtered through our consciousness, the only thing that helps us understand what reality is is SCIENCE it shows us objective reality, something that's proven via science is absolute for everyone, because a schizophrenic believes smashing a rock with a hammer creates rainbows doesn't make it true, what we know is true is that you can break a rock with a hammer, if you let the schizophrenic try the rock will break, it's not different for him because of what he believes, science dissolves myths, back in medieval times people didn't know that the story that the bibles promotes is impossible, now we know vast majority of the shit in the book is impossible, we also know it was passed down from word of mouth for years, translated and tampered with many times if something cannot be proven, it is an idea, no more, claiming things without proof is what is called 'lying' why this nonsense upsets me: well it's simply wrong, there are no scientific peer reviewed studies saying 'ascension is happening 2012!' we don't know if the planet will even exist a week from now, who knows what could happen, you attach to these ideas because you can't handle ignorance you have to know everything, well guess what no one knows everything, move on, this should of been a stage in your evolution as a person, but you can't free yourself of this insane attachment thinking scientifically (what i do) = questioning your beliefs constantly, always thinking 'am i bullshitting myself', suspending belief when looking into what someone else believes to see if it might be right (when i research philosophers or listen to say conservative radio, i try to see there perspective, i never tune into a conservative radio station thinking before even listening 'haha this is all nonsense' that's prejudging if you simply lack the power to question your belief systems then fuck, i don't know what you have going on but cool, just don't feel insecure and end up filling that hole with trying to get other people to believe you science is a way of thinking yeah there are certain things we do not know at this moment, but to say there are things we cannot know is bold, because you don't know that, we could have some crazy technology that can figure that out in the future, i personally don't know so i keep an open mind i've seen a lot of people say science isn't 'free' why? because they're not talking about 'ascension, 2012, and astral projection? these are things we cannot know we cannot know these things with what we have right now, so when it comes to knowledge, and absolutes, these are left out into the category of ideas i'm a scientific thinking person, does this mean i don't wonder what consciousness is? does this mean i don't wonder if life is perhaps a dream, i question quite often and i've come to the conclusion that i don't know if other people are even real, you all could be dream characters there are so many things we don't know, and chalking it up to 'oh bobby don't be silly, it's ascension in 2012 we're all going to ascend with our space spiritual masters and the reptilians will fall once again as the cycle continues we will have 12 chakras and we'll live in an enlightened society yeah you get it' chalking it up to that in my opinion is gross look where technology is leading nobody knows where it's leading but i'm young and chances are that if i don't die i'll get to see it unfold, it's extremely unpredictable and who knows whats going to happen next, there are so many people in the world and so many things going on that i can't even pay attention to all the small things if i tried, and in this i find beauty i don't find beauty in 'knowing' what's going to happen i find that to be a rather fearful state of consciousness, just being convinced this will happen then this will happen then bam we are enlightened, when you think like this you're closing yourself off to possibilities, closing yourself off to the input of other people who also have ideas, nope you just rely on checking the GFL website every weekend in hopes for a new update on what our space brethren are up to! in your post denial twist ill address a few things, i said religious fundementalists that'as who i was referring to, i am very aware of the difference between people who just say there christian so there families and think their evil, people who are christian because they see it as a path to a good life, and people who rape children and kill doctors, i'm not stupid as for my signature, i had forgot about that, i even forget what's in it (rarely use these forums nowadays) oh, hah hilarious, don't worry i kept an open mind to this, i wasn't dead set nothing was going to happen the post was made on September 24th, and i made the sig the day he posted it time flies that's for sure, but nothing happened and he was convinced it would happen, and it didn't you can't predict the future, even science can't even touch a prediction of that magnitude, so i knew absolutely that he was making shit up why are you claiming i don't believe meditation is beneficial? i never said such a thing, i love meditating, it helps me get a better perspective when i'm having trouble in life also fuck it Meditation may help brain tune out distractions Meditation may help brain tune out distractions | GantDaily.com How Meditation May Change the Brain http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/28/how-meditation-may-change-the-brain/ Is Meditation the Push-Up for the Brain? Study Shows Practice May Have Potential to Change Brain's Physical Structure Is meditation the push-up for the brain? Study shows practice may have potential to change brain's physical structure feel free to try flame me, take out one sentence and reply with something stupid i don't really care, i just hope some people understand my perspective because this nonsense is getting out of hand..