What would the world be like if the Allies lost WWII

I see a lot of incorrect assumptions about what America(and Britain) stands for, here on the site, in media in the US and worldwide, and wherever else it may be. The best of our nation have laid down their lives not just for the men and women fighting with them, but so that we can maintain our freedom, for the freedom of others, and for our security and theirs. In case you were not aware only about 45% of people in the world know what freedom is like. You have privileged access to these great speeches, listen to them, not everyone in this world is allowed to and can. This is what humanity is about, this is what America stands for, not the manipulative trash you have been tricked into thinking. I will post a new speech weekly, they will all be from World War Two. I will start by epitomizing what this is all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NygesJGqIdw

 

I am well aware of our taking of Nazi technology, mostly jet and rocket technology, they had operational jet aircraft past development stage and ready for production. Those scientists were hardly Nazi's, they were trying to survive the war. People so intelligent are not so easily manipulated, but they will survive best they can.

 

This is a place for logical thought, not ill-conceived notions of crazy. What it would have been like is the Axis would have then gone to war with each other and with Italy too weak militarily, the Japanese not knowing how to fight a war by continuing to develop technology. The Germans would have taken it all most likely, so it would have been a world in which most of us never existed due to extermination of our grandparents or parents, or a short existence in slavery.

 

Okay, I said only WWII, but this is an important speech in American Studies because it helps to define what it means to be American. For those of you who dislike or don't want to read, I don't care.
For those of you who wish to and don't find reading on the site enjoyable. Here is the site I found the speech on, I am sure it is elsewhere but this was the first result with it on Google. http://www.apstudent.com/ushistory/docs1901/amrcnism.htm

Woodrow Wilson was the American President during WWI. (1914-1918). America entered in 1916 or 1917, I don't recall exactly I need to brush up, it was a slow entry as we were completely unprepared and we literally had to draft and train an entire army. Prior to this we were trying to put down uprising spilling over our border from Mexico, I am sure you have heard the name Poncho Via and Patton.


Americanism and the Foreign-Born

by Woodrow Wilson
Speech given to a group of naturalized Americans in Philadelphia
May 10, 1915

It warms my heart that you should give me such a reception, but it is not of myself that I wish to think to-night, but of those who have just become citizens of the United States. This is the only country in the world which experiences this constant and repeated rebirth. Other countries depend upon the multiplication of their own native people. This country is constantly drinking strength out of new sources by the voluntary association with it of great bodies of strong men and forward-looking women. And so by the gift of the free will of independent people it is constantly being renewed from generation to generation by the same process by which it was originally created. It is as if humanity had determined to see to it that this great nation, founded for the benefit of humanity, should not lack for the allegiance of the people of the world.

You have just taken an oath of allegiance to the United States. Of allegiance to whom? Of allegiance to no one, unless it be God. Certainly not of allegiance to those who temporarily represent this great Government. You have taken an oath of allegiance to a great ideal, to a great body of principles, to a great hope of the human race. You have said, "We are going to America," not only to earn a living, not only to seek the things which it was more difficult to obtain where you were born, but to help forward the great enterprises of the human spirit - to let man know that everywhere in the world there are men who will cross strange oceans and go where a speech is spoken which is alien to them, knowing that, whatever the speech, there is but one longing and utterance of the human heart, and that is for liberty and justice.

And while you bring all countries with you, you come with a purpose of leaving all other countries behind you - bringing what is best of their spirit, but not looking over your shoulders and seeking to perpetuate what you intended to leave in them. I certainly would not be one even to suggest that a man ceases to love the home of his birth and the nation of his origin - these things are very sacred and ought not to be put out of our hearts - but it is one thing to love the place where you were born and it is another thing to dedicate yourself to the place to which you go. You cannot dedicate yourself to America unless you become in every respect and with every purpose of your will thorough Americans. You cannot become thorough Americans if you think of yourselves in groups. America does not consist of groups. A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America, has not yet become an American, and the man who goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and Stripes.

My urgent advice to you would be not only always to think first of America, but always, also, to think first of humanity. You do not love humanity if you seek to divide humanity into jealous camps. Humanity can be welded together only by love, by sympathy, by justice, not by jealousy and hatred. I am sorry for the man who seeks to make personal capital out of the passions of his fellow men. He has lost the touch and ideal of America, for America was created to unite mankind by those passions which lift and not by the passions which separate and debase.

We came to America, either ourselves or in the persons of our ancestors, to better the ideals of men, to make them see finer things than they had seen before, to get rid of things that divide, and to make sure of the things that unite. It was but an historical accident no doubt that this great country was called the "United States," and yet I am very thankful that it has the word "united" in its title; and the man who seeks to divide man from man, group from group, interest from interest, in the United States is striking at its very heart.

It is a very interesting circumstance to me, in thinking of those of you who have just sworn allegiance to this great Government, that you were drawn across the ocean by some beckoning finger of hope, by some belief, by some vision of a new kind of justice, by some expectation of a better kind of life.

No doubt you have been disappointed in some of us; some of us are very disappointing. No doubt you have found that justice in the United States goes only with a pure heart and a right purpose, as it does everywhere else in the world. No doubt what you found here didn't seem touched for you, after all, with the complete beauty of the ideal which you had conceived beforehand.

But remember this, if we had grown at all poor in the ideal, you brought some of it with you. A man does not go out to seek the thing that is not in him. A man does not hope for the thing that he does not believe in; and if some of us have forgotten what America believed in, you, at any rate, imported in your own hearts a renewal of the belief. That is the reason that I, for one, make you welcome.

If I have in any degree forgotten what America was intended for, I will thank God if you will remind me.

I was born in America. You dreamed dreams of what America was to be, and I hope you brought the dreams with you. No man that does not see visions will ever realize any high hope or undertake any high enterprise.


Just because you brought dreams with you, America is more likely to realize the dreams such as you brought. You are enriching us if you came expecting us to be better than we are.

See, my friends, what that means. It means that America must have a consciousness different from the consciousness of every other nation in the world. I am not saying this with even the slightest thought of criticism of other nations. You know how it is with a family. A family gets centered on itself if it is not careful and is less interested in the neighbors than it is in its own members.


So a nation that is not constantly renewed out of new sources is apt to have the narrowness and prejudice of a family. Whereas, America must have this consciousness, that on all sides it touches elbows and touches hearts with all the nations of mankind.

The example of America must be a special example. The example of America must be the example not merely of peace because it will not fight, but of peace because peace is the healing and elevating influence of the world and strife is not.


There is such a thing as a man being too proud to fight. There is such a thing as a nation being so right that it does not need to convince others by force that it is right.

So, if you come into this great nation as you have come, voluntarily seeking something that we have to give, all that we have to give is this: We cannot exempt you from work. No man is exempt from work anywhere in the world. I sometimes think he is fortunate if he has to work only with his hands and not with his head. It is very easy to do what other people give you to do, but it is very difficult to give other people things to do. We cannot exempt you from work; we cannot exempt you from the strife and the heartbreaking burden of the struggle of the day - that is common to mankind everywhere. We cannot exempt you from the loads you must carry; we can only make them light by the spirit in which they are carried. That is the spirit of hope, it is the spirit of liberty, it is the spirit of justice.

When I was asked, therefore, by the Mayor and the committee that accompanied him to come up from Washington to meet this great company of newly admitted citizens I could not decline the invitation. I ought not to be away from Washington, and yet I feel that it has renewed my spirit as an American.

In Washington men tell you so many things every day that are not so, and I like to come and stand in the presence of a great body of my fellow-citizens, whether they have been my fellow-citizens a long time or a short time, and drink, as it were, out of the common fountains with them and go back feeling that you have so generously given me the sense of your support and of the living vitality in your hearts, of its great ideals which made America the hope of the world.

 

It requires knowledge of history and human nature to theorize, no computer needed.

 

I am in theorizing about events that did not happen, same as if you asked which side would the British have taken in the American Civil War. Call it what you like. I call it plain fiction. A more interesting question is, why does history tend to lean toward what is good? In other words, why does history tend to turn out well? God? Civilization? Human beings? A simple question but a perplexing one.

 

I wanted to add one more thing before I begin this weekly regiment. It is this...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLOjIKt7wOk]Oliver North, US Troops Speech - YouTube[/ame]

For those who wish to learn about WWII, check out this guy's Youtube page. He has every episode of an excellent documentary on it, from episode 1 to episode 13. You might have to use the search function to find them all but they are all there.

Documan 1 - YouTube

 

I have decided this will get more attention if I do this daily. Keep it civil.

I intend to place the speeches in a sort of timeline of the war.

Dunkirk is where the Germans kicked the Allies off of mainland Europe. It is argued they would have been annihilated by the German tanks. But in an attempt to demonstrate his authority, Hitler held back the tanks.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojtm7Pb1QLM]Churchill speech on Dunkirk "Fight them on the beaches" - YouTube[/ame]

 

The Battle of Britain.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsKDGM5KTBY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsKDGM5KTBY[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0t-RqjMH-A]Never was so much owed by so many to so few - Winston Churchill Speeches - YouTube[/ame]

 

I often wonder that too. Like the Americans gained there freedom then so did the slaves, then we beat the germans then we stopped sadam hussein etc.
Or the Jews escaped eygypt. Maybe its because you dont hear about the failed uprisings

History always turns out bad for someone though it just the way you perceive it i guess

 

Yes, and it seems some of it can be answered simply by studying military strategy, such as Hitlers choice to full out attack Stalingrad, rather than attack the oil fields to the south and cut that major supply point. Not to mention his numerous terrible decisions not to order a tactical retreat because he simply did not understand military strategy(tactical retreats are often precursors to victory when conducted correctly, the idea is to back out to a more defensible position before you are combat ineffective or cut off, or both). However, Stalingrad was not the turning point it is made out to be, that was Kursk. A place where the largest tank battle in history occurred. It was pretty evenly matched, the Russians knew the Germans were coming though and were ready. It was still brutal, and the Russians barely hung on. I actually love one tactic the Russians developed, tank to tank ramming. Its hope lies in the disabling of the other tank. Sorry the tactic is just so brilliant I had to mention it. Maybe not relevant today with tank kills now in miles and advanced targeting systems, but still a fascinating tactic.

 

Japan attacks, America declares war on Japan, Italy and Germany declare war on the U.S., America declares war on them(it is required by our Constitution that Congress does so)


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ifuqnIUXs]A Date Which Will Live In Infamy - YouTube[/ame]