You're too radical. Work on that to get a better point across. We're all human. Wtf are you talking about?
[quote name='"pliers"'] Lol, somebody is a little cranky.[/quote] lol far from cranky my friend. I simply have no interest in having a conversation with someone who believes his opinions are better than anyone else's.
Im not a liberal but you sound like a straight up troll when you talk like this. If you don't have a response to him don't say hes the one that's too brainwashed to debate. Makes you look ignorant. The problem lies not with liberal or conservative but the elite. When it comes to the main issues facing our country (monetary and foreign policy) the difference in stances between the liberal and the conservative is absent. Bush started an unjust war / Obama enlarged it. Bush shitted on civil liberties with the patriot act / Obama signed the NDAA. Bush gave tax cuts to the Megarich / Obama bailed out the banks. The elite (bankers, oil executives, megarich) are the root of these problems, not the liberals.
All it would take for me to turn my back on him, would be a better option. If jesus comes back, and Ron Paul decides to run libertarian, let me know. Otherwise, it's Fo' Mo' fo da Big O Ho! Mitt Romney would be a return to the dark ages, a rubber stamp for the defense industrial complex, an agitator, a friend only to the rich, and a blind religious fool...WII?? I know this election is depressing, but geez, don't invite the deluded back inside, just because they smile more about inside information traded with god. Obama ain't perfect, and I would love to vote him out, but I will not vote for another mega-rich Dickensian cut-out character.
What will it take? Probably an opponent who isnt a complete douchebag and has the proper amount of chromosomes. You do realize romney is obama... Only 10x worst right? Love when republicans criticize a left win politician for his right wing policies LOL
I love when either wing thinks the other wing has different policies, lol. Democrats are not liberals, not even close. Libertarians are real liberals, not Democrats or anyone who votes for Obama (Obama is a fascist, very far from a liberal).
[quote name='"pliers"'] I never said that, but I don't think that men should be covered either. I think the program as a whole should be ended.[/quote] True so do I, but then you look at the alternative and it becomes more babies living off welfare, the only way for that to change is if for some reason premarital sex became taboo once again.
[quote name='"HighMtnSkier"'] That's not the rational the pro-war liberals used in 2009 when they sent in 30,000 additional forces. Do you really find it logical or even necessary that we sent an additional 30,000 extra forces in 2009 people to bring home the 60,000 troops who have been there since before 2008 for a 2014 departure? [/quote] Didn't Obama and Hillary both advocate for more troops in Afghanistan during election? ?
[quote name='"Lay Low"'] I love when either wing thinks the other wing has different policies, lol. Democrats are not liberals, not even close. Libertarians are real liberals, not Democrats or anyone who votes for Obama (Obama is a fascist, very far from a liberal).[/quote] I feel like its the new Hipster way to call every politician a facist if you don't like them, I hear it all the time, That and calling everyone sheep.
[quote name='"Lay Low"'] I love when either wing thinks the other wing has different policies, lol. Democrats are not liberals, not even close. Libertarians are real liberals, not Democrats or anyone who votes for Obama (Obama is a fascist, very far from a liberal).[/quote] I agree, im not american nor right or left. The OP classified obama supporters as liberals so i went with that. While many of their ideologies are similar romney is far worst, should he get elected war would be imminent ( not that obama wouldn't change his views after re election). As a neutral source i believe obama to be the lesser of evils, although your right neither is truly liberal or positive for the people.
I don't use terms because they're fashionable or because I don't like someone. I use terms based on their accuracy of description. Almost every politician is a fascist though, so it makes sense that you hear the term often.
Wow there is a lot of hate in this thread. People hating the left, the right, this has got to stop. If your going to hate someone, hate them for a good reason. (I bet I hear plenty of "good" reasons for hate, but I mean a real good reason). Hating someone because of their political affiliations is ridiculous. This hate puts Americans on a cyclical merry-go-round of bullshit and diversion from more important issues. Abortion and gay marriages are a great patsy for the public when the real issues are far more devious. The failing dollar, our mounting deficit, these are Americans real problems. Choose your battles wisely, and make these choices to better America, not just your constituency. Democrat or republican, all I hear is liars and thieves. Hate the liars, the thieves, the corporate greed and political irresponsibility, hate stupidity and all who fall prey to it, but do not just hate democrats or republicans. Until the left and the right have enough humility and nuts to throw an arm around eachother, and stand up against our government's greed and tyranny, as one voice that is the American people, the president means little to me. It's time for Americans to fight for Americans, not fight for a political party's agenda. Agree with me or not, that's fine with me, but even if you don't agree with me politically, I would still right for your rights in this country. Stand up FOR America, not AGAINST a political party.
Obligatory, Bush was just as bad as Obama. But thats not what the thread is about. I was hoping to hear from more liberals who were full of Obama's shit and while still liberal do not support him from the presidency. But it seems that liberals are still clinging to Obama like Republicans cling to their hate of brown people and love of the Bible. If Bush was President this thread would be titled, "when will Conservatives turn their back on Bush?"
You like him? Oh, well that's all the reason anyone needs for voting, I guess. We can just ignore that he's a murderer and a terrible President because you like him. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33hajppi4yg&feature=youtube_gdata_player]Sheep Baaa - YouTube[/ame] I wonder if this little girl likes Obama... http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/22/little-girl-mutilated-by-obamas-drone-wa
Agreed. Got to divide up the teams so the game is fair. The point I was referring to was from post I replied to earlier. Which the poster said it's all "liberal's" fault for government spending.
And there's the main problem. Seeing the world in groups, in "teams" that are in competition with each other. It's a fallacy that doesn't exist. Marxian class warfare rhetoric is all it is. In a free society all transactions are mutually beneficial, so there is no game being played. There is only one team and everyone is on it. It's only when the state gets involved in the economy that one sided relationships arise (one person or group benefits at the expense of another).