If you've seen it, discuss your thoughts, Do you beileiev any of it? Did it change the way you think? If you haven't seen it i suggest you check it out, it's really mind blowing.
"it's bread" I belived all of the experiments but the second half of the movie was all speculation of the speakers so i can't take it all as true. I especially liked the part when the professor starts talking about "forming" your own reality. When he was saying that in order to access the clouded awarness that is not yet conscious, we must question our reality to the point where we become unsure as to whether or not the ground on the side of our bed is really solid ground or possibly a delusion that is actually a cliff. Later on in the movie he talked about how he implemented the quantum notion of "intention" into his everyday life by actively forming and creating his reality. And what i found particularily moving was when he said that after doing this, "I became aware of little things that I know would not exist if i did not intentionally create my world". I liked the water experiment where the emotional words attached to frozen water bottles changed the formation of the water crystals inside. "Makes you think when you know our bodies are about 90% water". Also, learning about the observer effect was trippy.
i thought it was a good movie. i like the water 'thing' also. tho i must say that i dont believe it, and i remember reading about how someone refuted his 'experement'. the Dr is more of an artist than a scientist. but its besides the pt, it still offers a good insight on how we make our own future. we cannot know our future because we have not created it yet. or a better way of thinking about it is that we know our own future because we will create it. i think this movie shows how this ideal can be true. sure, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison didnt know about computers, bacteria and phone sex, etc. but they did make their own future, and much of the world (prob. all) is now living that future. actually, is this the 1st movie, or the second of the series? i forget cuz i watched it more than a year ago. i have not seen the 2nd one yet. not only do i not take much time to watch movies, but when i do, i watch things like this and the last one i just watched is 'citizen king'. that is also a good movie. tho i wish it have more footage of his speaches, all the way thru. i could easily watch a 6hr movie of MLK jr speaking...
It's a Movie Down the rabbit hole is the second one, and the one I am refering to. I believe there is more to it than just how we make our future, it basically says how our own reality can only be one that is formulated off of things we have previoulsy experianced, and that in order to experiance the impossible, we have to break free of out normal thought and constantly speculate what is real. The way we interpet the nature of whatt we like to call reality, is completely subjective on how we want to see it, and quite literally what we can fathom to be real.
ok, i have seen it now. and the extras disk. want to see the full "Rabbit hole" version. but what i have to say about the basic dvd feature.... to answer the two questions.... Do you beileiev any of it? Did it change the way you think? i was already talking about alot of the concepts these guys were on about. i dunno if it's my ego this is massaging, or what, but yep, my bigbrainyness is even more self asured now. and yours should be too. intelect is not static, solid or preset... it can be developed. anyways, there were quite a few things in this that i didnt really get. i mean, for one, i had only just heard of hado meare weeks before watching the "movie". I think anyone who's had a "psychedelic" experience will have gone far enough to explore much of the stuff here.. but it doesnt necessarily take entheogens and consciousness expanding externally sourced "drugs" to awaken this kind of thing. did it change how i think? yeah, shaken off alot of rubbish. had a few repeat doseages too.
congradulations. alot of people are, and many of them are worse of than you, they dont realise they're confusd. you're way ahead. have you seen the film? or the rabbit hole version?
I sort of believe most of it, I'm inclined to question its bias since the movie was funded by a cult leader, that is channeling "ramtha" or something like that in the movie.
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/04/what_the_bleep_.html My friend showed me a Skeptico (a website for skeptics) article on the movie. Ill post some excerpts: [/SIZE][/SIZE]One thing that puzzled me was who were all the talking heads? I recognized a couple, but who was the bizarre guy who claimed he creates his day just by thinking about it, and who was the heavy-set blonde woman in the boxy red suit making the weird pronouncements in a funny accent? Normally in a documentary, the experts are introduced when they first appear. But here they introduced them after the end of the film. I was amused to see the guy who creates his own day, was a chiropractor. But when I found out the identity of the blonde woman, my eyes nearly popped out. I figured you wouldn’t believe me if I just told you, so I took a screenshot of it:<o></o> <o></o> <o></o> <o></o> In case you can’t read the text, it says:<o></o> Ramtha<o></o> Master Teacher – Ramtha School of Enlightenment<o></o> Channeled by JZ Knight<o></o> They are stating as a fact, that one of the people you have been listening to for the previous 90 minutes, a main authority for the information being presented, is a 35,000 year old warrior spirit from Atlantis, being channeled by this Tacoma housewife turned cult leader. The woman pictured is JZ Knight, but you are not listening to JZ Knight. You are literally listening to Ramtha. There were people who saw this film and didn’t say, “That’s just a woman putting on a funny accent”. Scary, huh?<o></o> At this point the film lost any remaining pretence of being based on any kind of science or facts. <o></o> I did a little digging on Ramtha:<o></o> Ramtha is a 35,000 year-old spirit-warrior who appeared in J.Z. Knight’s kitchen in Tacoma, Washington in 1977. Knight claims that she is Ramtha’s channel. She also owns the copyright to Ramtha and conducts sessions in which she pretends to go into a trance and speaks Hollywood’s version of Elizabethan English in a guttural, husky voice. She has thousands of followers and has made millions of dollars performing as Ramtha at seminars ($1,000 a crack) and at her Ramtha School of Enlightenment, and from the sales of tapes, books, and accessories (Clark and Gallo 1993). She must have hypnotic powers. Searching for self-fulfillment, otherwise normal people obey her command to spend hours blindfolded in a cold, muddy, doorless maze.<o></o> Upon further investigation I find the films’ producers, writers, directors, and a number of the featured “experts” are members of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment. The film is a propaganda piece for a cult. Don’t believe me? You don’t have to because David Albert, the professor from the Columbia University physics department who was featured in the film, is quoted in Salon.com saying:<o></o> I was edited in such a way as to completely suppress my actual views about the matters the movie discusses. I am, indeed, profoundly unsympathetic to attempts at linking quantum mechanics with consciousness. Moreover, I explained all that, at great length, on camera, to the producers of the film ... Had I known that I would have been so radically misrepresented in the movie, I would certainly not have agreed to be filmed. The third example was the work of Masura Emoto, who tapes words to bottles of water. The water is chilled and forms into crystals descriptive of the words used. For example, if the word “love” is taped to a bottle, beautiful crystals form; if the words “you make me sick” are used, ugly images appear.<o></o> What the film makers didn’t say is that Emoto knows the word used, and looks for a crystal that matches that word (biased data selection). To demonstrate a real effect, Emoto would need to be blind to the word used. James Randi has said that if Emoto could perform this experiment double-blinded, it would qualify for the million dollar prize. (He has never applied.) Such a protocol would show there is no correlation between the words taped to a bottle and the crystals formed within. These experiments have not been performed to a scientific protocol and have never been independently replicated. from http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/04/what_the_bleep_.html
heh, the film makers never claimed they were being the absolute sole arbiters of truth, or that the film itself was a representation of "the truth", infact they even go as far as to distance themselves from such claims in the extras disk of the first one. personally, there was much in it i took to quite easily, such as the links between consciousness and quantum mechanics, as i've discussed such things many times long before the film came out, here on this forum, saying things like "Do you think the realm of quantum mechanics stops once inside your head?", and if the observer interaction phenonemon occurs in experiments, then it to is occuring all the time too, including the automatic long distance connection. I'm a great skeptic, but that doesnt mean i automatically disbelieve and discredit things. what makes you so sure she's pretending. i don't claim to know either way.
^ I take back that "ton of BS" remark beacuse we'll never know for sure about anything. However, when I see the results of scientific studies and find that they're manipulated to sway the viewer, it gets aggravating. All that feel good talk in the movie was negatively counterbalanced with the biased experiments and manipulated speech. Why can't they just be honest? Oh, it's Hollywood and that's life.
technically it's not the second, but rather a changed version of the first. they've added stuff and taken some away. however, you can watch the original and then this one and get different things out of both. http://imdb.com/title/tt0499596/combined
k, since some people slipped past skepticism right into outright disbelief.... nope, it's not proof. nope, it's not "conclusive" as an absolute. nope, i'm NOT asking you to believe. i'm just presenting something else to you....... much like the makers of this film did. you make your own decisions, or not. form your own views... or dont, and have them formed by someone/thing else. its all up to you. and if you accept even that much, then... have you not taken at least one step into accepting responsability... is that not what they were pretty much all about with the quantum spirituality mumbo jumbo... that it is up to you, and you cannot fob it off on some great unknown... ? anyways, i hope yas liked the picture. i did.
ah, some kind soul hath puteth it up on googlevideo... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1891192462522832038 ok, it's not the rabbit hole version, that's something as i understand could only be done via dvd. and i just found this too... more "food for thought". hehe http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4182921805952700020&q=quantum+rabbit+hole