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What is the Secret to Big, Thick buds????

Discussion in 'Indoor Marijuana Growing' started by Akujin, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. #1 Akujin, Dec 24, 2009
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    its about 2 weeks to harvest now and i cut 2 branches yesterday to quick dry and smoke since im out of buds, one thing im noticing is that my buds are thin and airy, not dense whatsoever. The budding sites on a single branch will be spread out instead of forming one solid dense bud. What is the secret? im using Fox farms Nutes and CFL's

    im guessing more light would help, more light always helps, but are there any other tricks? co2 enrichment and so forth?

    the plant i cut from had a solid 40 day veg period and has flowered for about 46 so far, but the buds i cut ended up to be about 1 bowl per bud when it was grinded....

    first 2 pics are from the plant that i tested, the third is a trifoliar that was 12/12 from seed

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  2. One of the biggest secrets is don't cut the buds after 46 days of flowering, give them time to mature. Other factors include strain/genetics, grow temps, ferts, supplements, light intensity, light frequency, etc.
  3. i know its frowned upon to cut and quick dry for a quick high, but even then its time to flush and i figured the stage of thickening was almost over if not over
  4. Nope, they can thicken up mightily at the finish.

    That still may not explain all of your problem, but at least that's part of it.
  5. The key to REALLY excellent and dense buddage is definitely more light and more time, but you can skew these factors by using a hormone nutrient like CannaBoost, Emerald Triangles Gravity Flower Hardener, and AN's Overdrive. Sea Kelp based supplements can also help.

    Essentially the plant is ending it's "growing" phase about 3 weeks before harvest. If you can time it right, when you add these kinds of nutrients they will cause the plant to continue to grow. I've had buds go from 80% orange hairs to 80% white hairs, from almost done to way more.

    There are side effects to these products though, generally some form of burning, so be careful when mixing them with your normal regiment.
  6. How's it going man, I'm a fairly new grower, but it's been my experience thus far that my buds do most of their filling out inside the last week to 2 weeks of flowering...I use FF Nutes too, and sometimes I even stop nutes a week early, flush, and then just use nothing but filtered, PH-balanced water with a little blackstrap molasses (1 tsp per gallon) for the last week. I've been doing this for about 3 months now and had pretty good success with the size of my buds, although as growers, we always want them to be bigger= ) Best of luck man, Peace
  7. thanks for the replies, i just went and decided to give my guys one last dose of FF nutes incase it turns that i need to prolong the flowering on them, do you think i should flower them till im happier with the size of the buds or just chop them at 30%amber trichs? as of right now it seems that 70% are cloudy 30% are clear
  8. btw are you around dallas? deefdubya hehe, me too
  9. I used BUSHMASTER on my last grow and I got an almost 30% better yield and some pretty dense buds.

    The BUSHMASTER stunted the grow height enough so that the plants were more uniform and shorter allowing more light to be evenly spread amongst them.

    The densest buds I have grown have almost always been nearest to the light.
  10. Follow the trichs...
  11. I concur with what the other growers have mentioned about lighting, while there are various factors that affect bud density, time , nutes, and most importantly lighting are a factor, that is why I switch to a HPS from CFL's when i Veg, the CFL's just cant crank out the amount of light that plants desire for those really thick nuggy buds.

    You just either need the help of the sun (outdoors) or you really need to get some form of HID lighting to flower your plants next time.
  12. with cfl's you really have to go the full 70 days after 12/12 switch... its early;)

    As toasty said follow the trichomes... they tell all... if they have had allot of stress they will mature prematurely and give you airy buds...
    More light intensity always makes for denser buds...:cool:
    But ive seen many cfls grows, some with very nice nugs ....
  13. while it can be done, the usual results from cfls are *relatively* not as good as any HID lighting, but if you cannot afford a HID light, or just like CFL's for some reason, then yes, you can* flower with cfls, but i would only do so with my own plants if i had to and it would require multiple 300watt cfls, at which point it would be a better investment in my opinion to get an HID light as it will only cost you about 20-50$ more.

  14. didn't know that, very cool. thank you! I do have a question on the 70 days. Is that 70 days and then start that flushing, or is that 70 days including flushing with the ph balanced water.

    I'm using all cfl's right now, so that would explain the slower growth, compared to what I've read here. I' ve got a possible trade for a 400w mh light so that may help a bit.....
  15. thats 70 including the flush but get a pocket microscope and watch the trichomes..
    the stress a plant see's will make them mature at different rates..

    You want HPS for flowering not MH....;)

  16. cool.....I'll have to hold on the hps for now. My oldest is still 3 weeks from flowering, so I have some time. I'd like to start with a 1000w hps and then add accordingly.

    The harvest process is still relatively unknown to me, so this really helps out alot.
  17. awesome replies, thanks guys

    i just added 2 more 23 watt 6500k just for a little more light intensity making a total of 195watts of cfl mixed 6500k and 2700k, ill continue being patient on these guys

    my mini plant (trifoliar 12/12 from seed) is already showing yellow and purple leaves, really pretty to look at, do you think this one is maturing faster, there other 2 plants in the box are still very green, and more frosted than mini wheats
  18. i'm about to give my plants some black strap with the last nutrient feed then start ripening with canna bio boost and liquid karma. they really fattened up last time when i gave the boost so i figure i'd try molasses in one feed and see how it goes.

    but last harvest i started doing this at around 5 weeks to help fatten my buds: lowered my hps to the lowest possible level, lowered my humidity to as low as i could get it which was around 40%, lowered my day temps to around 73-75 which lowered my night temp to around 68, started juicing the shit out of them with bio boost and liquid karma. worked pretty well. i harvested around 5oz from a from that grow under a 400w hps w/ six plants in 3 gallon pots with most of the buds honestly being rock hard. i had about an oz of shit that was fluffy but they were mostly little unsmokable hash buds i should have cut off early in flower. that was my second indoor grow so 5 oz was pretty choice.

    liquid karma will really help to fatten buds and its great for seedlings also. i'm about to go from 2 tsp to 2 tbsp per gal for the last feed and ripening. its some good shit and you can't really give too much though i'd say 2 tbsp is about my limit.
  19. I would say the factors that contribute most to yield are Light, oxygen getting to the roots, and how big the root system is itself. thats assuming that other factors like temp, humidity etc are within spec.
  20. could being root bound cause lighter buds? im using 8inch planters not 3 gallon pots, but im also in a tight stealth dresser so i kept them small on purpose

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