What is soul? How it is produced?

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by dattaswami, Nov 22, 2009.

  1. WHAT IS SOUL? HOW IT IS PRODUCED?

    The greatest item of the creation is pure awareness (Soul) only. The inert energy like light, heat, electricity, magnetism is more subtle and greater than the inert matter. The life energy that is produced in the oxidation of food is only the heat energy (Tejah sati- Veda) because the oxidation reaction is an exothermic reaction but the awareness, which is generated from the nervous system by the heat energy, is the most subtle and finest form of energy. The inter conversion of awareness and heat energy is understood theoretically but not possible in practice for the scientist. This does not mean that the life energy is independent and eternal without generation and resolution.

    The awareness disappears in deep sleep and appears when the person wakes up. This proves that the awareness is not eternal but inter-convertible form of inert energy only. Of course, the conversion is not in the hands of the scientist. Though the conversion is theoretically proved and accepted. When you stop the supply of food or oxygen, the heat energy is not produced in the digestion and the awareness disappears, which is the state of coma or deep sleep. When the life energy is not supplied, the death happens. In the last stage of the patient, though digestion stops, the respiration continues. Though food is not supplied, oxygen is supplied. Instead of food, the stored fat is oxidized. Therefore the patient is alive for sometime in spite of the absence of food.


    After sometime, the nervous system stops functioning either due to damage in the system or due to inadequate supply of the heat energy. This is the stage of unconsciousness. Finally in the last stage, the oxidation stops and no more heat energy is produced. We say hat the human being is dead due to absence of any trace of heat and the body becomes cool. This process of death is described in Veda (Manastejasi tejassati). Just in the last fraction of a second of the time of death, a small portion of the heat energy is used in the formation of the energetic body that goes out of the gross body along with the bundle of qualities, which are stored in the mind. The scientist cannot prepare this bundle of qualities accumulated from the past millions of births.

    He cannot bring back this bundle, which escaped from the gross body through the subtle body. Due to this reason only the dead person cannot be made alive. Otherwise science has developed the nervous system and brain in the Robot by introducing a small bundle of qualities as information chip. Therefore, the man is produced but the same man cannot be reproduced. The concept of Robot clearly proves that the awareness is also a form of inert energy because in Robot the electrical energy is converted into the so called awareness which is only the electro magnetic radiation. This energetic body is called as subtle body or ‘sukshma sareera'. This goes to the upper world, which is invisible as said in Veda (‘Manomayaha') and in Gita (‘Vayurgandhan', ‘Utkramamtam').

    For any authority, the final stage is experience, which alone gives the validity. The analysis of life energy, awareness etc. is done based on the experience of a human being existing here. All this is the analysis of the various aspects of the human being existing in this world. We have concluded that the awareness is the finest and greatest item in this world based on the practical analysis here itself. If the practical experience is neglected, the logic will lose its basis. In such situation, even the scripture cannot stand because one may say that the scripture itself is a false imagination of some mad person.



    Therefore all this analysis is based on the internal nature of the available human being. The analysis of the human being perfectly gives the analysis of this entire creation because any human being is a part of creation only. Therefore, the logical analysis and the practical experience associated forms the science. Any spiritual aspirant is an ordinary human being only and thus science is applicable for analysing your self.

    In fact the process of elimination only can do the attainment of self or the casual body, which is a perfect scientific procedure. Self is the best item of the creation and the analysis of self is also science. When you are an item of creation, Your ways and efforts cannot be supernatural and they must follow the natural rules of creation, which are again science only. Therefore you must use the logical scientific analysis in analysing yourself and your path to reach God. But God is beyond this creation who is the Creator. Therefore God cannot be analysed by science. When the goal is above science the scientific path cannot be meaningful because the scientific path will lead to such goal only, which can be analysed by science. For e.g.: let us take the path to Bombay, the path is on the Earth and Bombay is also on the Earth. A path that can be analyzed by logic can reach the goal, which must be also analyzed by the logic.

    If I start the journey to God and ask the path to reach Him, nobody can show the path because the God is invisible. An invisible goal will always have an invisible path. Nobody can travel in invisible path. One can show the path to a holy temple. If God exists in the statue, such path is a true path. The main purpose of reaching God is to know the whole knowledge of your self, the correct path and the correct goal. The reason is that God is the best preacher since all the matters are related to God.



    Therefore the Human Incarnation is the correct place of God. The human incarnation consists of a visible human body so that the path to reach Him also becomes visible. Since God is in the human incarnation, by reaching that human body you have reached God. In fact God pervaded all over the body and you have reached the God. The God becomes visible through human body and therefore the path to reach God is also visible.

    The main purpose to reach God is to hear the correct version of the entire spiritual knowledge. Then through service you have to please the God. In the case of statue, it is not preaching any trace of knowledge. Moreover when we serve the statute it is not appearing pleased on its face. Due to these two reasons neither God is in the statute nor God is the statute (Na tasya Pratima- Veda). The statute in the human form is a model to indicate the human form of the Lord. The ignorant human beings who cannot accept the human form of the God due to egoism and jealousy can worship the statue as a training for sometime to worship the human form of Lord in future ( Pratimahyalpa Buddhinam- Smruti). But one should not sit in the training through out his life. If he sits in the training only, he is born as an inert object like stone (Bhutejya yanti- Gita).
     
  2. There's no evidence that a soul exists, there's no evidence that a god exists. It's very colorful writing you offered us, however it's complete fiction.
     
  3. I believe in the soul, and I still agree with you, theres no proof yet, so don't try to act like there is.

    Weren't you the guy saying the soul is produced by the energy made by food oxidizing in your stomach? LOL, maybe it says that up there, I don't read your crap copy paste posts like you thought of them.
     
  4. When you stop taking food, your awareness decreases and ultimately you die!!
     
  5. There's science that explains that and it has nothing to do with your cult.
     
  6. There are two theories about the soul. In one theory the soul is eternal. This is correct because if you take the soul (awareness) as inert energy in its basic form, energy is eternal. The eternality of the soul is proved in deep sleep since life continues due to the existence of inert energy as the heat in the human body. Due to this inert energy alone, all the systems in the human body are functioning and the life is maintained in the body. Deep sleep indicates the co-functioning of two systems which are food (Annamaya Kosha) as body and respiration (Pranamaya Kosha) to produce inert energy by the oxidation of food. In the same deep sleep, the awareness has perished.


    Even the last trace of awareness, which is self awareness (awareness of awareness itself) as seen in meditation, disappears in deep sleep. Therefore, you have to agree that the awareness is transformed into its basic content which is inert energy. In other words you can say that the awareness has disappeared or is destroyed. When the golden ornament is converted into a lump of gold, you can say that the ornament is destroyed. When you awake, the awareness is reborn. This is our experience and cannot be disputed.

    If you view the soul as inert energy, it is eternal as evident from deep sleep. If you view the soul as awareness, it is born daily and dies daily. Both these are two angles of view about the soul. It is like the dualistic nature of an electron which is a particle as well as a wave. The electron exhibits the properties of both in different contexts but not in the same context. Similarly, the soul exhibits both the properties in different contexts. Both cannot co-exist in the same context because both contradict each other. The Lord mentioned both the theories of the soul in the Gita and it is very important to note that the Lord did not condemn any theory. The two words used in this context which are ‘Atha' and ‘Cha' mean that both are equally valid theories in their own contexts (Athachainam…-Gita).
     

  7. en⋅er⋅gy  [en-er-jee] –noun, plural -gies.
    1.\tthe capacity for vigorous activity; available power: I eat chocolate to get quick energy.

    in⋅ert  [in-urt, i-nurt] –adjective
    1.\thaving no inherent power of action, motion, or resistance (opposed to active ): inert matter.

    "Inert energy" is entirely devoid of meaning in English. It's immobile capacity for motion? Unreactive quantity exchanged in a reaction? Sluggish zeal?
     
  8. as a person dies, at the exact moment, 21 grams of an unseen entity exits the body.

    this is your soul, leaving your body.
     
  9. Lets say I know a man who survived without food for a week. Your story is fictional, mine.. I've witnessed.
     
  10. So, if the Soul (Self, body) cannot exist without Food (non-self, external,) are they not One and the same?
     

  11. That's just an old story propagated by a spiritualist doctor during the early 20th Century. Nothing in his work has ever been validated scientifically. He picked this number (21g) at random, despite wide variance in the drop reported, some people not dropping, and the fact that he discarded two measurements as invalid without really reporting them- they may have contradicted his conclusion.

    Snopes- Soul Weight
     


  12. does science really matter in terms of spirituality and philosophy?
     

  13. If you are claiming that something weighs something, you are making a scientific claim. If someone wants to say that the soul makes them happy and smiley and a better person and sends them to heaven, then no, science doesn't matter. If you want to claim that your soul provides a sustained 12V with a maximum 100 Watt output and can be used to operate household appliances, you've left the realm of spirituality and are making physical claims.

    The guy who claimed that the soul weighed 21 grams acted like he was conducting scientific experiments and used that appearance to give authority to his claims. If you claim to be making a scientific claim, you invite scientific scrutiny.
     

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