What happend to electroculture on GC?

Discussion in 'Advanced Growing Techniques' started by Edmond Dantès, Sep 9, 2012.

  1. Seriously people experimentation with Electrical stimulation on plants was a big thing for a while a few years back on the forums and with quite amazing results i have used this technique personally with fantastic success using a TENS unit an inch away from the stem running on 4hz for 2 hours 3 times a day and it doubled the growth of my plants gave me a fantastic yield maybe even 20-30% more iv heard of 50%+ and made them very resilient to pests mold and other problems with great structural integrity compared to the control! I would love to see others benefit from this as well as learn and spread new knowledge about Electroculture

    So i urge and implore you Grass City members EXPLORE AND EXPERIMENT !
    Rex research has some amazing stuff check out all the articles
    ElectroCulture -- stimulation of plant growth by electricity, magnetism, sound
    Plantricity
    http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced...wth-electrical-stimulation-w-pv-cells-^^.html
    http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced...uper-growth-using-ultrasonic-frequencies.html
    History - Electroculture, Natural Electricity for Agriculture

    Other sources
    Electric Fertilizer - Boosting crop yields and accelerating growth using electricity and more!
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v200/n4905/pdf/200490b0.pdf
    ATMOSPHERIC ELECTRICITY AND PLANT NUTRITION
    ELECTRICITY MAY PLAY ROLE IN PLANT GROWTH - NYTimes.com
    Electro-culture: Stimulating plant growth with electricity (research thread)
    Electroculture - The Homestead.org Forum - Page 1
    http://emf-portal.femu.rwth-aachen....01fb15d0e25&sform=7&l=e&aid=18486&for_print=1
    Exotic Energies Home Page
    Experimenting with Electro-Culture « Interests of Interest
    IEEE Xplore - Weak Electric Fields Affect Plant Development
    Influence of extremely low-frequency electric fields on the growth of Vigna radiata seedlings - Costanzo - 2011 - Bioelectromagnetics - Wiley Online Library
    Re: What effect on plant metabolism and growth does electricity have?
    ScienceDirect.com - Biochimica et Biophysica Acta (BBA) - General Subjects - Effect of electric field on physical states of cell-associated water in germinating morning glory seeds observed by 1H-NMR
    ScienceDirect.com - Journal of Electrostatics - The influence of an electric field on the growth of soy seedlings
    International Journal of Biometeorology, Volume 25, Number 4 - SpringerLink
    The Botanical Review, Volume 50, Number 2 - SpringerLink
    The Effects of Magnetite, Magnetic Water and Magnetic Monopoles on Plant Growth
    The Hindu : Electricity to induce plant growth
     
  2. Thanx for the info Rhap definitely something i will look into getting. I love toys in my price range that are effective and cheap. Maybe next month.This month its a $65 r/o unit available at purewater.com...I let my subcription to HT go as i get more info here and i can ask questions. I'm still following your 200w solarflare to see how it turns out...you run your rig kinda warm...80-85. That heat is slightly unsettling as that cab is basically same size as mine with el cheapo 120w led vent fans and such .i run with door shut i get up to 85 but i use co2 in there with fans on cyclestats. I get the solarflare i'm going to possibly run with doors open...big concern. New Skunk mag is about growing autos under leds the Stealthy Samaritan and Hydro Grow leds both at 200w using 3w bulbs...$500 per unit is not too bad but $200 shipping is OUTRAGEOUS!! I haven't even looked up specs as i will never pay $200 shipping ...know anything about these guys?
     

  3. Not a prob. If you want to see it in action...a buddy on here has it in use here is his grow journal. Its towards the end.

    http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/996699-my-babies-gonna-die-[-[laharl-log]-32.html
     
  4. #7 Edmond Dantès, Sep 13, 2012
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    This guy has been experimenting with good results im glad to see people applying it to our favorite plant ^_^ [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMJOjJaIKpw&feature=share&list=UUFzYHhAToAmTI8-Vbvx75og[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUa-JASdJ5Q&feature=share&list=UUFzYHhAToAmTI8-Vbvx75og[/ame]
     
  5. Very cool stuff. Very interesting and definitely seems worthy.

    My only issue is how do you do it to 99 plants 3 times a day??? I definitely wanna get at least one to try though.
     
  6. When you say a TENS machine, you mean that thing that delivers an electrical charge usually to a contact that is placed on your body somewhere?
     
  7. Yes indeed also all the information you will need is in the many source links i posted Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS) is the use of electric current produced by a device to stimulate the nerves for therapeutic purposes. TENS by definition covers the complete range of transcutaneously applied currents used for nerve excitation although the term is often used with a more restrictive intent, namely to describe the kind of pulses produced by portable stimulators used to treat pain. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Tens.jpg/800px-Tens.jpg

    The reason why you should use a tens unit is because you can control the stimulation rate and the wide range of electric frequency's to zero in on the lower frequency's that studys have shown to be most effective for increasing plant growth! other methods like the PV solar cells i posted about are not so accurate to what the plant needs and is more hit and miss BUT dont let that discourage you from giving it a try any extra boost of electrical stimulation has been proven to be effective as long as its not to strong of course i have heard from 4 people now that used the little pv cells off of the little solar powered yard lights and swear they got a very noticeable 8-12% yield increase and better resistances and structural integrity throughout there grow and i have personaly seen the results you can see the proof in the links i posted on Dug's post's also on the videos i just linked


    Glad to see your interest i hope the amazing beneficial knowledge of electroculture spreads! tell your friends! ;)
     
  8. I have one actually, that's why I was asking. When we get our grow box set up I will DEFINITELY use this information.
     
  9. My crack pot Chiropractor uses a Tens unit.

    One of the guys that I worked with had one when I was in the Marines. Best thing ever was attaching it to the back of someones head or face turning it to max. INSTANT LAUGHTER. So was the stun gun I brought into to work. Gosh I miss those days. Youtube Stunguns sooo funny.
     
  10. Sir if you really are interested in applying this technique to a large grow i highly recommend you actually read the large amount of information i have provided in the links above i must refer you to Plantricity that will help you get a very good idea on the process
     
  11. This is just 1 route you can take to giving this a try! though i would say keep your hz at 4 and dont leave it on for days give it exorcises through spaced intervals maybe 2-3 times a day for just an hour or 2


    Plantricity Beginner's How-To Guide

    We want to make a thorough “how-to” guide for Plantricity but have not been able to do so yet. We are still trying to get funding to build a new stand-alone greenhouse of our own where we can showcase all of the techniques we talk about on the site on a larger scale, as well as finish compiling the information that would help hobby gardeners and also commercial growers better put the techniques into practice. Meanwhile, hopefully these tips will help get someone started.

    There are many factors to setting things up fully (such as the size of the greenhouse, greenhouse growing conditions, how the plants are grown, and even the brand of tomatoes (if applying to tomatoes)—we recommends using a greenhouse variety for this). Here are some guidelines for you that hopefully will point you in the right direction and let you experiment on your own with the wondrous world of Plantricity.

    The basis for providing electricity to plants is to use small, safe, low frequency electrical pulses. We developed our own tuned oscillator that we would like make a part of a future turnkey system, but that isn’t available at this time. For now, you should be able to still see amazing results if you use a muscle stimulator unit that you’ll find is readily available for sale at medical supply places or on the Internet.

    Here is the Plantricity Beginner's How-To Guide, step by step:

    1) Seek a medical device that is labeled EMS (Electrical Muscle Stimulator). These devices generally are made with the capability to produce a lower frequency range of stimulation than what most standard TENs units produce, making it more preferable for Plantricity.
    2) Purchase a unit that has an AC charge capability. New, they cost about $100.00 (give or take) for many types. EBay has nice used units that can be bid on and easily purchased for less. Here is an example of one from a medical supply that would work: Dual Combo TENS / EMS Muscle Stimulator Unit (LG-TEC). You should buy the battery and charger that is an option on this unit. In addition, from Radio Shack (or a similar place) you can purchase two mono plugs (the small one like headphones would have going to an MP3 player) that have bare wires on the other end, the longer the better. These will make things easier to plug into the two separate channels on the unit.

    3) The unit chosen should have continuous "ON" capability that will not let the unit "turn off" or "time out" unless you manually turn it off.

    4) It is best if you can find a unit type that has a low frequency setting (around 100 hertz). Lower frequencies penetrate to produce a deep, heavy type (tickling) sensation—especially when a slow, wide pulse setting is chosen. The stimulation output pulse setting should last about 1 or 1-1/2 seconds in duration.

    5) Any setting used should allow for a silent (or “OFF”) time of the signal of at least 1 or 1-1/2 seconds between the stimulation of the pulses.

    6) Purchase a set of TENs muscle pads for testing the pulse settings outlined in the previous steps. Follow the manufacturer’s instructions for the EMS device and hook yourself up to the unit FIRST. This will allow you to select a setting that will most nearly produce the above desired frequency or feeling. Note what intensity setting is comfortable on you. It's about the same level you will probably want to use on plants. Many units won't allow you to know exactly what frequency the settings represent, but you can discover what will work best by checking the variety of options on yourself first. A fast vibration will give more of a burning feeling as you turn up the amplitude of signal. A LOWER frequency pulse feels more like a drawn-out weak electrical shock. This is the signal type "setting" you will want to use to stimulate plants. (Comment: trying the device on yourself first is kind of like what you would do when heating a baby’s bottle and testing it on your wrist before giving it to the baby. You aren’t going to be doing anything to the plants that isn’t perfectly safe for you too, plus it will help you understand what the device is doing and allow you to tweak the output settings.)

    7) If you think about the basic operation of the EMS device, for each channel (output) you have two wires, each connected to a muscle pad. Current flows out one pad, through the muscle (stimulating it), and back through the other pad into the control unit and completes the circuit. This is the basic concept of Plantricity, only you are stimulating the plants rather than muscle. Each plant will have two probes associated with it, with the EMS unit connecting to each probe.

    8) There are a couple of basic ways you may connect plants together for Plantricity: in parallel or in series circuits. If you already are familiar with these concepts, skip on ahead. Just in case you aren’t, I’ll cover them here. If you have two plants you want to connect to the same EMS device and want to do it in parallel, tie probe 1 of each plant together and then separately tie probe 2 of each plant together. This is just like you do when jumpering a car battery—and remember, probe 1 and 2 never touch. Hook the EMS device to the two probes of only one plant. If you want to add additional plants in parallel to the same EMS unit, just continue the process and tie probe 1 of the last plant in line to probe 1 of the new plant and probe 2 of the last plant in line to probe 2 of the new plant. Now let’s say you have another two plants and want to connect them in series. To do this, tie probe 2 of the first plant to probe 1 of the second plant. The EMS device will connect to probe 1 of the first plant and probe 2 of the second plant. This is the same type of circuit a flashlight or a string of Christmas lights would typically have. If you pull out a light (or a plant in our case), you break the circuit. If you want to add additional plants in series to the same EMS unit, just continue in the same way and tie probe 2 of the last plant in line to probe 1 of the new plant. The EMS unit will always go on probe 1 of the very first plant and probe 2 of the very last plant. I’ll cover more about probes a little further on, as well as how to choose which type of circuit to use to tie your plants together. (Also, it doesn’t really matter which of the two probes associated with a plant is probe 1 and which is probe 2, I just numbered them in the examples above for clarity.) There is plenty on the Internet about these types of circuits such as this site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/ks3bitesize/science/physics/electricity_4.shtml.

    9) Many EMS units have both an A & B channel (and some even have 4 channels). One or more channels can be used, but NEVER wire different channels together thinking it will give more power to one circuit of wired plants. Remember to keep A & B or other channel circuits separated if these others channels are needed to drive other circuits (of wired plants). Just think of these separate channels as separate individual EMS units that shouldn’t be connected together through the plants.

    10) Most EMS units that are designed to be home units (not the small strap-on portable units) will produce a higher mA output which means that it will provide more power output capability per channel than the smaller portable units. Most home types units should power 25 potted plants or more when hooked in series or parallel.

    11) Parallel wiring circuit hook-up should be used for MultirOOted plants and are best for plant types that require a complete drying out of its container before watering. With a MultirOOted plant that has two separate pots (one for each root system), a probe would be placed in each pot. Again, remember to use a single A or B, C or D channel exclusively to pulse a plant circuit group and not more than one channel. Also, never mix series wired plants with parallel wired plant groups on the same circuit.

    12) Series wiring circuit hook-up is easily applied to non-MultirOOted plants, but can also be applied to each pot of a MultirOOted plant. Caution: when using series wired Plantricity, it's best to group or grOw plant types that can ALL tolerate more or less water, having some level of moisture in each pot or container at any given time. In a series wired circuit, it takes only one plant with drier soil to beak or interrupt current flow to all plants in that circuit. All pots or plant containers, especially those wired to grOw in series, must have some soil moisture for flow current to conduct through it.

    13) When connecting the EMS unit to a plant (or plants) and turning on the pulses for the first time, leave the unit on 24 hours a day for about 5-7 days. Then turn the unit "OFF" for about a full 24 hours to let the plant(s) rest, then bacK "ON" and repeat the cycle again, once more leaving the unit on for 5-7 days before another 24 hour rest period. Continue with this routine of 24 hours “OFF” every 5-7 days for the first 60 days. Plantricity use after 60 days should be reduced so plants have about 2 days a week of “OFF” time thereafter.

    14) Also, rest plants by giving them longer unit “OFF” periods during cloudy or raining days when it persists for a number of days. Do this during extended periods of very low light also.

    15) Caution: unit “OFF” time is very important to stimulate the grOwing cycle properly! So no matter what time cycle of ON/OFF is precisely used, be certain to rest plants or they will not properly benefit from Plantricity.

    16) Testing for the right amount of current passing from the EMS units through the plants can be done by "adjusting" signal strength high enough for a person to slightly receive a very mild shocking feeling when each hand is placed across an output channel feeding the plant probes. You can touch the soil or the probes to accomplish this. Recheck signal strength periodically one hour or so after plants are watered and at least once every 30 days. Readjust signal strength if necessary. (A standard Radio Shack LED diode can be used instead of a hand check. Turn up the output current on the unit until the LED barely starts flashing!)

    17) It's best to use stainless steel probes. Either flat or round stainless steel types of metal will work. Many types of silverware "tablespoons" are made from stainless steel and have a fair amount of soil contact area that will work on medium-to-fairly large size pots. (Pots that hold more than 5 gallons use 4 spoons per container.) Drilling a hole through the top of the spoon's handle and then using a small screw with nut and washers to securely attach a wire makes a very good low cost probe. A flexible wire type is easy to work with. A light weight wire size of #16 gauge will work fine.

    18) Using Plantricity will almost always require more frequent watering than normal. This is because plant intake and use of water is speeded up. Also, I would recommend having a few of the same plant type configured without Plantricity to start with. This can give you a gauge of how Plantricity plants reacts to watering (and nutrient intake) compared to normal, plus it gives a great reference if you begin to see the great increases in growth with Plantricity that we have experienced.

    19) Have fun!
     
  12. ALOT it seems to take in i have heard about this is there a simple way to do it? Like what are the principles behind it? Can i take an earth off one of my sockets at home n run it straight into my coco would that work? May sound stupid I'm just curious always been to.d if your not sure ask haha
     

  13. Sure if you would like to kill yourself or give yourself quite a shock :)
     
  14. [quote name='"rhapsodyrcks"']

    Sure if you would like to kill yourself or give yourself quite a shock :)[/quote]

    Really? You have been shocked by an earth wire before? I would definitely not like to meet the electricians around your neck of the woods.
     

  15. Ah misread I thought it said power cord. lol.
     
  16. lol no do not use a power outlet..try not to kill your self.... study alittle more of what has previously been linked/posted it will be of great help if you are interested in giving it a try

    but i will say to get started go out buy a tens unit most have a option to use 8 pads so thats 4 plants keep the connectors to the pads but rip the sticky pad off and expose the wiring bury the wiring of a - and + side 1 1/2 to 2 inches away from the stem and about 3-4 1/2 inches deep depending on the container size make sure its close to roots turn on the tens unit set it to 4 hz set the intensity to around 3 (you should put it on your arm and test the strength yourself first) if you can handle the stimulation your plants can too but you can play with it as the plants are growing and see what works best iv been up to 5.. put the tens unit on a timer and let it go 2-3 times aday for a few hours no more than 2 hours at a time i would say

    And make sure to water ^_^ good look hope this helps
     

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