What Ever Happened to Welfare Mothers?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Dickie4:20, May 16, 2010.

  1. My opinion on things like this has become "fuck it". :smoking: the end.

    Just to chime in though, things like welfare make as many problems as they solve. Morals are fucking humanity over a desk without consent.
     
  2. You have to blame socialism at least a little bit. The elite came to power only by dumbing down the people and turning our political system into a de facto Democracy, which enabled them to enact corporatist policies under a socialist banner.

    Which is essentially the same thing that would happen in a hardcore socialist system, the people would think they were voting for improvements but would actually be digging their graves.


    And economically speaking, socialism is to blame if you recognize central banking monopolies, public planning and personal income tax as socialist tenets.
     
  3. Seems like taxpayers fund the war (or pay of the debt that funds the war), and the elite war-mongers suck out all the spoils of victory. It's really a win-win for all these old crusty politicians that will likely die before the dookie hits the rapidly spinning device.
     


  4. Wel it contributes to it because the taxes placed on bussiness and individuals raises costs for them and thus will probably also lower profits for bussiness's, thus bussiness's will grow at a slower rate, thus that bussiness will create jobs slower, which leads to less people being employed than otherwise would have been.

    So while facism is kicking the free market in the balls, socialism is just kicking it in the shin.
     
  5. So you think becasue we have a somewhat progressive taxation system, the United States is a socialist country?

    And to aaronmans line about elities dumbing down our country and putting the corporations in power, you can thank Reagan and 30yrs of his policies for that.
     


  6. It's more than that. What about minimum wage? Price ceilings? Government run Centralized banking? Those are policies in which the government directly manipulates the economy.

    Thats socialism :wave:
     
  7. #27 Sir Elliot, May 17, 2010
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    Correct. I don't think there should be ANY form of public welfare, or a public social safety net, for anyone.

    The exception would be veterans, who receive such benefits as part of continued compensation for serving as soldiers.

    To bolster my original argument that private citizens and private organizations, charities, etc, ae fully capable of providing such things we need only look to the 2 richest men in the world, who happen to both be Americans. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

    Both, while still alive, are giving the entirety of their fortune to charity. The two wealthiest men in the world. Are giving everything away. Everything.
     
  8. Do you know the 10 planks of the communist manifesto?

    1. Abolish private property - eminent domain

    2. Heavy progressive personal income tax - yup

    3. Abolish rights of inheritance - the death & estate tax

    4. Confiscation of all emigrants and rebels property - meh

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state - The Fed

    6. Centralization of means of communication & transportation - FCC, DOT, etc

    7. extension of factories and instruments of production owned by state - meh

    8. Equal liability of all to labor - WPA, Fair Labor Standards, Interstate commerce act, etc

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing - meh

    10. Free public education system - Dept of Education



    We've got most of them here in the US.
     
  9. Good. We're making progress.

    Dickie, you seem like a pretty smart guy. I'm serious. You write well, you probably are either in college or have a college degree, you can manage to post in a clear way on difficult topics while high, etc.

    So, let's say you live in the middle of the country, some place like Topeka, Kansas. Middle america, medium sized town. And you found out that there was a single mother/father/someone that didn't have anyone to help them and they needed assistance.

    You're telling me that you can't come up with a better solution then "Let's create a government program based out of Washington DC to address this problem."?

    Something along the lines of chatting with a few of your neighbors, or guys from the bar, or people at your Church, or your local atheist club or your office and saying, "Hey this person needs a hand, let's help them?"

    A government that is empowered to take 40%+ of a person's income in order to "redistribute it fairly" and "fund social programs" and "Create a social safety net" is the same government that can willy-nilly go on foreign imperialist adventures, etc, with that same money.

    The solution is to never let the government get that large at all.

    To fix problems that are easily solved at the local level, you are proposing creating a leviathan-sized government-monster, and then you're shocked, shocked!, that the leviathan turns on you and starts waging war etc with the billions upon trillions dumped into its coffers.

    Big government is the problem, not the solution to problems.

    Please read Alexis de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America" for a better understanding of what I'm trying to articulate.
     
  10. Erm, Reagan wanted to eliminate the department of education.
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    Or in dollar terms:

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    We could have saved a boat load of money, and certainly wouldn't be any worse off than we are now. It's almost as if... the involvement of the government... stopped any progress from being made in eucation... stunning isn't it?
     
  11. Libertarian prophets ftw.

    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.


    :smoking:
     

  12. So fucking true.:bongin:

    It's such a tragedy that children aren't required to read such a great, epic, amazing author.
     

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