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Weed and Freedom

Discussion in 'Seasoned Marijuana Users' started by HIGH IQ, Aug 8, 2010.


  1. I don't disagree that cannabis liberates the mind.

    But if you didn't mention cannabis in your posts I would assume you were talking about other entheogenic and hallucinogenic drugs (which I don't think i'm allowed to mention here, but you know the ones), the effects of which raise questions of individual freedom much more intensely.
     





  2. In terms of the rights to do what you want with your own body, you are absolutely right.

    But I am speaking about the effects of marijuana on our outlooks and opinions, and why the government and many corporations are terrified of the damage they can do underneath it all. Which is why they are doing everything they can to keep it illegal and out of our hands.

    They dont want our individual freedom(abortion, substance use, gay marriage). They want our freedom of thought.

    I can say from personal experience that the use of cannabis sparked a fire in my mind that literally destroyed the idea of what the United States is. I now look at this country much differently. Although I love this land, and the rights it was founded upon. I am ashamed of what we have done from before our initial founding, and what we are currently doing today.

    That spark started with this thought "If they lied to me about weed...what else could they be lieing to me about?" This thought has lead me all the way to questioning the exsistence of a government itself.

    I now completely understand why the rest of the world hates us, and it sure as hell isnt for our "freedom". I would be embarassed to leave this country, and have a foreigner know I was from the United States. I can honestly say I would take no offense to being called a "fucking gringo."

    I love this country, I absolutely hate this government.

    I could go in to even further detail as to my reasoning and opinions on major events, laws, ect. But thats another story for another time. I would have no problem PMing anyone who wants to have a civilized conversation about this. Or if someone wanted to start a thread specifically for debating the acts of our government from start to finish, I would have no problem starting it, give me a holler.


    BUT ,my point is, that the government and corporations do not want that same spark readily available to every citizen. I realize that not every single person reacts to herb they way that I did. But MANY people do, and many people have the POTENTIAL to.

    This is what they are afraid of, and this is why I believe they will fight it at all costs.

    Is it a fight they can win? I dont think so. But they sure as hell arent going to let us win without a long, drawn out, gruesome war.
     

  3. you sir deserve a medal

    this is the first time ive ever cried about weed and its in JOY
     
  4. Hmmm I love what you're saying, and agree with the effects it has, but....don't believe whatsoever that that's actually the reason the government makes it illegal...fun to talk about though, lol.
     

  5. Government Regulation is the problem not de-regulation marijuana IS regulated. your thought process is out of whack
     

  6. Here is another bit of basic logic.


    If the government wants to WIN the "War On Drugs" all they simply need to do is make every major drug that is making huge money, LEGAL.


    If you make marijuana legal, every dealer, and grower, is for the most part, OUT OF BUSINESS.


    The price plummets and with one single blow, you kill every dealer in United States, thus getting drugs off the streets, and making it much easier to regulate, not to mention the vast amounts of money corporations and governments can make through sales and through taxes. I dont think corporations can fully benefit from sales, as home grows will be too much for them to compete with, but they will make SOME money.


    I already explained that the government/corporation can beat out a drug lord in terms of bribery and a back room war any day.


    So why wouldnt they just legalize, and kill them off? Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.


    As I said in my last post. They do not want the spark of freedom and rebellion readily available to every Man, Woman, and Child.








    Thank you all again for the kind words. It means a lot. Keep toking. Keep on fighting the power. :smoking:
     
  7. That means a lot. Even coming from a stranger. :smoke:
     
  8. Sorry man, but you're wrong. Things involving laws/gov't are really easy to figure out; just follow the money. Partnership for a Drug Free America (the people who put those anti-weed ads on TV) WERE (in 1997) funded directly by big pharma, tobacco, and alcohol; they are STILL funded directly by big pharma and I bet theres some soft money still coming in from tobacco/alcohol. These companies have a lot to lose from the legalization of herb and we all know that big companies make policy decisions now a days so it is by no mistake that MJ is still illegal. Hemp is too useful of plant (read: it would kill too many industries that are funding campaigns and lobbying their asses off), hemp could replace a lot of things from cotton to tree cutting (for paper).

    my 2 cents
     

  9. First. You are preaching to the choir. Im someone who holds no political affiliation, mainly because im aware that the party system is only there to segregate the general public and turn them against each other, and that voting for a president is utterly useless, considering they are all corrupt, and are bribed by basically the same exact people.

    Second. I already stated that legalization would hurt not only their WALLETS, but their actual exsistence.

    Third. You obviously either skimmed through the entire thread, or only read my very first post. Ive already covered why I feel money is not the real issue. There is just TOO much money to be made in cannabis/hemp. It wouldnt be THAT hard to slowly integrate those to things in to our fragile economy.




    Last, what im talking about about supercedes the money aspect. What im getting at, in a nutshell, is that in some people(me for instance), in some circumstances, weed opens up the door for you to say, fuck government, fuck possesions, fuck money. Put that ideal in to the hands of the population and say goodbye to the the gov. To make a large leap in a train of logic, you might say that legalization basically makes it socially acceptable to rebel.



    I appreciate you voicing your opinion. But my opinion on your opinion, is that although it is correct in essence, you are debating only a small, and relatively meaningless portion of my entire theory.

    If this thread was called "Weed and the Economy" your arguement would be much more debatable.


    Dont think of this as a money issue, or an issue of rights. Think of this as an issue of thought. Freedom of thought.

    Far above money, I believe they would much rather have control of our minds and our thoughts. Marijuana liberates the mind.
     
  10. emancipate yourself from mental slavery. :)

    i suggest you watch "the union"; a great documentary on weed. it offers some interesting perspectives on why weed is illegal.
     
  11. I will say, weed, and drugs in general, have definitely made me go more and more towards libertarian socialism...which I feel like is a political stance held my many people who smoke weed...which is quite inconsistant with american ideals...
     


  12. Ive seen it a few times actually, great documentary. It IS slightly biased though. It was very much made to apease those who are against cannabis.

    They leave a few tidbits out of it.

    Such as the true reason Marc Emery was to be extradited. They say its because he was selling seeds. When in actuallity he was supporting and possibly funding mass grows. He even says on his 60 minutes interview that he wanted to defeat the DEA by outgrowing their efforts.

    In "The Union" however, his struggle was re-wrapped as "I was just selling seeds".


    Same with Tommy Chong. They failed to mention in movie that he was actually pretty much funding a bong making company. They also fail to mention that HIS SON was the operator of it.

    They re-wrapped it in the movie as "They just used my image, then came after my family, so I took the fall." Too bad his family OWNS the company.


    I dont agree with either person being persecuted. No matter how you change the story, they were both used as examples. The "Prince of Pot" and "THE Stoner". Who better to string up in front of the public?


    Although it is STILL biased to an extent. "The Union" is the best documentary on cannabis out right now.
     

  13. Lol, Ladies and gentleman, my theory in a nutshell.


    Marijuana = Anti-Capitalism/Anti-"Democracy"
     
  14. #56 Murs, Aug 13, 2010
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    You take yourself pretty seriously huh? The guys right...and you're talking nonsense. You actually believe that the government keeps weed illegal to control our minds? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? You're the kind of hippy pothead which gives the rest of us smokers a bad name.
     
  15. #57 Murs, Aug 13, 2010
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    Wish I knew how to give you rep. Only other post in this topic which actually makes sense.
     
  16. #58 HIGH IQ, Aug 13, 2010
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    Do you really think, that after 70+ years of prohibition, that the cotton companies, or pharmacutical companies wouldnt have figured out SOME way, to profit off hemp or cannabis.

    There are companies making a fortune off WATER. Then once we run out of it in the next 50 years. Companies like GE are going to desalinate it, and it becomes THEIR water.


    Like I said, its not THAT hard or that expensive to slowly and carefully convert your industry to hemp production, OR hemp and cotton production.


    Go read in to a company like Monsanto. Thats about as close to pure evil as it gets. Or better yet go read in to our beloved Wal-Mart. While your at it, go read in to how many positive effects are happening because of the genius idea of bottled water.


    Maybe you can do some research on something called false-flag terrorism.


    What im trying to tell you, or enlighten you I should say, is that governments AND corporations will do whatever it takes to turn a profit and stay alive.



    Not only that you entirely are misinterpreting my theory. Which is why you are at the moment talking directly out of your ass. This has nothing to do with "mind control". Its about keeping us away from a harmless plant that liberates our minds. It can make an ignorant person a lot less ignorant.

    Nobody else came on here insulting anyone. So good for you. Youre a pioneer of this thread. Pat yourself on the back. Cause let me tell you, all that information and reasoning you threw at me was mind blowing.

    Im not swayed by logic with no reason and petty insults.


    So if you can come back with some real reasoning, some real logic, and some facts that arent baseless, then ill give you some of my precious time.


    and the last time I checked, those "hippy potheads" you speak of, cant articulate a full blown theory, dont have vast vocabularies, and arent qualified for just about any job you can think of.


    So maybe you might want to rephrase your slur.


    I dont ask anybody to believe what im saying. I just ask you to think about it logically and without bias.
     
  17. #59 Redhawks7, Aug 14, 2010
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    I agree with your assertion that marijuana (and other psycho stims for that matter) bring about some sort of liberation of thought, to an extent. I don't think the relationship is entirely causative; i.e. that people who do 'drugs' (for lack of better word) are rebellious because rebellious people are more likely to do these kinds of 'drugs' as well as the liberating effect of drugs.

    Corporations would love to control the way we think, and, well, they pretty much do. But, this begs the question, why do they want to control our thoughts or at least distract us with petty arguments? The answer, to me, is that freedom of thought would lead to uncertainty in future markets as it would, again imo, bring about various social revolutions (global min. wage, elimination of corporate interference/control of governing systems, etc). These changes, brought upon by freedom of thought (possibly inspired by MJ and its hypothetical legliztaion), would destroy modern corporations (read: make them poor). So, while control/liberation of thought plays a critical role in these hypothetical constructs of the reasons why MJ is kept illegal, money remains the king.

    You do bring up an interesting point in that there is a lot of money to made in the hypothetical (sorry for over-use of this word) legal MJ industry. I think that your argument of liberation of thought is useful here, to a point. I think there is MUCH less money to be made in the MJ biz. I bet most potheads, i.e. me, would grow their own nug. It would also be incredibly costly to get new equipment/knowledge required to succeed in commercial production of nug/hemp; I bet new companies (read:people who have been doin it illegally for years) would conquer the new markets.

    I also agree that I did just skim your original post lol. To each his own

    peace

    edit: Also, the reason I think a good portion of MJ would be homegrown is because it's not too hard to grow mediocre nug; I love dank ass nugs, but if i had to pick between expensive good ish and not too good next to free ish, I'd take the cheap stuff. And, local growing would def be a strong force in the market due to the existing MJ culture.
     

  18. sorry to double post, ive never been +repped to my knowledge and this is too tantalizing...

    theres a scale/balance lookin thing in the upper right corner of my post, click it.
     

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