Whole situation is fucked up. On a lighter note and not a trump supporter at all but the response was hilarious. Reporter "president Trump will we be going to war with Iran?" Trump's response "Hope not." Like what the fuck dude lol.
And yet some would claim he's NOT a war mongerer. Of the federal land that was released 2 years ago, how much of it do you think his corporations or financial entities will end up developing... A good chunk is my guess. Only time will tell, but being president sure seems like a good opportunity to make yourself some money eh....?
But of course the USA not keeping their word (which hasn't been worth much for decades) is OK? Ever think that the orange moron did that on purpose to stir up Iran at the request of leaders of Saudi Arabia and Israel? Well that's what happened... Both countries have a history of terrorism and supporting it yet because they kiss up to the "USA petro dollar" they are "very very good" while Venezuela , Iran and some others are "very bad"... For your information 911 was "payback" as well to the United States of Amnesia... they conveniently forget their atrocities and how every recorded empire that ever existed failed big time... this one is cracking now as China, Russia and others are working together as trade partners so China can give the USA a HUGE middle finger on Spanky's "tariffs"...
Yea, nothing like state-controlled media such as in China and Russia. Or throwing people in prison and labor camps for protesting the government. Or conducting land grabs like in Crimea. Not to mention the Great Firewall and content filters used by China. As far as what you said about 9/11, it just shows how disillusioned you are. Sure the U.S. accidentally kills civilians, but it is not on purpose and we certainly don't call it payback or revere it. You have a seriously distorted view of reality and of right and wrong.
On the contrary ^^^ You have a seriously distorted view of reality and of right and wrong because you have bought the state spun propaganda as i did myself until the turn of the century...
You described the murder of civilians and catastrophic destruction as payback. You claim to be against terrorism but then openly support it, explain that.
They are just making it harder on themselves. Europe has no reason to implement the special purpose vehicle ledger if Iran does not keep its promises. But processing uranium for fuel or for a weapon is a long process. First, the uranium ore has to be treated to create concentrated yellowcake, which is then fed into a centrifuge. Iran right now has produced about 20,000 centrifuges but hopes to build more advanced ones that can more efficiently separate U238 from U235. Of which the uranium-235 is what is desired and collects in the center. Next is enriching uranium to 5%, the most time-consuming process of creating fuel or weapons. From there it takes about 200kg to 250kg of 20% enriched uranium to enrich to 25kg of 90%. Or you can build a heavy water plant which produces plutonium as a waste byproduct. However, from there you have to figure out how to make it into a viable nuclear weapon. Source: Iran Says It Will Enrich Uranium Beyond Nuclear Deal Limits Iran Says It Will Enrich Uranium Beyond Nuclear Deal Limits
Chalmers Johnson wrote a book before 9/11/2001 called "Blowback" it was published in 2000 BEFORE 911 explaining how as far back as the 1950's the CIA coined the term knowing that our American Imperialism which included meddling in governments could generate "blowback" from these governments and sympathizers.. Not saying that 911 was payback directly from Iran... After all 15 of the 19 pilots were Saudi Arabian citizens... Begs the question why little Georgie W. Bush insists on going to war in Iraq.. At least for some of us who are in various stages of #WOKE. But if the CIA was aware of blowback 50 yrs before 911 don't ya think it was no surprise? "“Blowback” is a CIA term first used in March 1954 in a recently declassified report on the 1953 operation to overthrow the government of Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran. It is a metaphor for the unintended consequences of the US government’s international activities that have been kept secret from the American people. The CIA’s fears that there might ultimately be some blowback from its egregious interference in the affairs of Iran were well founded. Installing the Shah in power brought twenty-five years of tyranny and repression to the Iranian people and elicited the Ayatollah Khomeini’s revolution. The staff of the American embassy in Teheran was held hostage for more than a year. This misguided “covert operation” of the US government helped convince many capable people throughout the Islamic world that the United States was an implacable enemy." Blowback
woke. Sounds like a bunch of self-absorbed bullshit. The U.S. gave weapons to the Afghans (mujahideen) in the Soviet-Afghan War, even to people like Bin Laden. The real question is what evidence can anyone present that the countries meddled in would have been better off. North Korea comes to mind, Vietnam, and the list goes on. What about countries that were occupied after WW2, Japan and Germany. How come they prosper despite globalization and don't hate the U.S.? Seems like the only crybabies are people who despise globalization and favor isolationism.
I never read Blowback, but I lived in Iran shortly before the revolution. My two cents, for what it's worth... The reaction of the Iranian people in 1978-79 was fueled in large part by Iranian resentment towards the CIA interference in Iranian politics, but it wasn't all of it. Mossadegh was largely regarded with great reverence and regarding him Iranians felt more than a bit of anger towards American interference, but the straw that broke the camel's back was the corruption of the Pahlavi family, particularly Shah Reza's wife, brother-in-law or brother, and older son. This, coupled with the newly established Shari'a law in Afghanistan and the increasing power of the Taliban (who fought the Soviets with American weapons, but didn't consider America an ally) emboldened the people. The atrocities of the SAVAK were a HUGE influence as well. To give you an idea of how ubiquitous they were, I was tailed by two SAVAK agents for most of a month in 1978. They never said they were SAVAK, but that was the only reasonable explanation for them showing up to visit me in the Shiraz American Club (run by and for Americans only), The Tactical Air Force Team (TAFT) base (An American/Iranian military base where Iranian pilots were trained by American flyers), and at the Oktoberfest hosted by the Germans in the country.... on another military base almost 400 miles from where they had introduced themselves to me to become my 'friends' whether I wanted them to be or not. I remember the most bizarre thing about it was they kept assuring me that everything was all right because they were 'Mormons.' I doubt that there were more than fifty Mormons in the entire country at the time, and all of them from America. Bear in mind that I was a nineteen year old kid who worked as a bartender at the American Club. A 'person of interest' I was not. That's how ubiquitous they were: they set two agents on me for a month: the youngest son of a family of Americans working in Iran. Sheesh. That the CIA had engineered Pahlavi's ascension to the throne was well known in Iran, and resentment towards the US government was high, particularly in Tehran, Qom, and Esfehan, with Esfehan being the most dangerous. Americans in Esfehan lived in a secure compound known as 'little America.' In Shiraz, Americans lived where they found a place to rent, although there was a sort of 'westerner's quarter' I think... I don't quite remember because we lived on the outskirts of town in what was called the garden district. (It's gone now though. There's a mall where it once stood.) Americans in Tehran lived in the American quarter which wasn't a secured area... just where they tended to rent, near the embassy, I think? I can't remember, been too long. You know, when I got back from Iran, I told everyone I knew about my big revelation in the middle east. I'd say, "I used to dream of world peace, but I now know that there's a lot of people out there who really, really, wish we were dead. The only reason they don't attack us today is because they are on the other side of the world and it's logistically not possible for them to do so, otherwise we'd be seeing terrorist attacks on our shores today!" And pretty much everybody said, "Yeah, right." Until 9/11. Since 9/11 I've been saying "You can't win a war in the middle east, but you can make friends and have no war at all." And pretty much everybody says, "Yeah, right." But the truth is, the Iranian people like Americans. They're resentful of our government -- who can blame them? -- but that's fair enough. We don't think much of their government either. Still, there's a way for Iran and the United States to bury the hatchet, which is for the USA to apologize for Mossadeh, and for Iran to apologize for attacking the American embassy during the Iranian revolution. Of course, it's a hell of a lot more complex than that, because the whole middle east is like that. It's a mish-mash of conflicting feuds and grudges spanning millennia, cross connecting in a complex jumble of national, tribal, and religious bonds. It's further complicated because many of the tribes are nominal citizens in several countries at the same time, and many -- if not most -- of the countries are in feuds and wars that go back centuries. People who think Joe Biden is carrying too much luggage ought to talk with an Iranian to REALLY hear about baggage! They are mad at Iraq over a border dispute that is decades, centuries, or millennia old, depending on who you talk to. They are mad at the Greeks for burning down the country and bringing dogs into Persia... you know, when that guy... Alex, uh... Alexander the Great, yeah, him... burned down Persepolis. You know, just last, um... well, in 330 BC. They are mad at the English for burning their tobacco fields in the early 19th century. These guys don't forget. On the other hand and culturally speaking, Iranians are sentimental, social, and civilized. A wise statesman with plenipotentiary powers could resolve the conflict with Iran fairly simply. (Not the same as easy.) Reparations would be in order on both sides, and there would undoubtedly have to be some major renegotiation of status with our other middle east allies -- particularly Israel. Like I said.... fairly simple, but not easy. Of course, this is all a pipe dream now, anyway. Nobody ever admits to wrongdoing anymore. They just attack their accusers.
Very informative, thanks... Yes we have a lot of "yeah right" ers in this country, even here in GC political forum, in case you haven't noticed... Don't say you haven't or i will say "yeah right"... lol Would like to add others who are actually familiar with Iran, their way of thinking, priorities, etc. feel they are not posturing the enrichment of uranium due to being trying to defend with missiles or attack others but for nuclear power... Seems that although the EU, UK or whatever it is these days was going to side with them against the USA but already meddled with an oil tanker.. So my feeling is they are simple preparing to generate their own energy rather than risk being cut off from others as well as the USA. The sanctions assaults can be brutal yet appear to the average TV viewer / voter to be highly humane and necessary to "defend our homeland"... I call bullsh*t and anyone who has investigated outside of mainstream media or radical right wing radio would agree.
I can't speak to the intent of the Iranian government regarding plutonium, but I wouldn't put it past them to want nuclear weapons. I know that if Iran was to let loose and attack their greatest enemy -- or rather, who they perceive their greatest enemy to be, they'd attack Israel, not the USA. They consider us the Great Satan the same way Republicans think Democrats are socialists. It's convenient political rhetoric that trades on ignorance and fear with just a grain of truth in it to make it plausible. Israel, on the other hand, they consider an existential threat to the region, underpinned with an abiding resentment of the way Israel was created, shoving Palestinians into the desert while the Israelis took the Gaza strip -- arguably the most fertile region of land in the middle east. That's a big deal in a sere, desertous region, and Israel taking it from the Palestinians is greatly resented throughout the region, not just Iran... although they're the most rabid about it... well, them and Egypt. The sanctions are brutal. People have no idea. The inflation it causes is terrible. One hundred thousand Iranian riyals is worth $2.38 right now. When I lived in Iran, one riyal was worth 1.48 cents, or $1.48 per hundred. That's without mentioning the chronic shortages,of which there are many, owing to the fact that Iran is a resource poor country that relies on imports for much of its goods.
Speaking of devaluation of currency, wondering how many wheelbarrows full of US dollars it will take to buy a hamburger once the cherished "petro dollar" is dumped by our so called friends Saudi Arabia and others... You may know that the US puts pressure on Iran and Venezuela, basically any country with resources they want to capitalize on IF they are not willing to cooperate with the empire aka "world bully".. Then the US blames "socialism", communism or dictatorships for the pitiful conditions in these countries due to our economic strangulation of their resources... When the world banks won't give Venezuela loans to get them through knowing full well they are good with all the oil they sit on (largest reserve of any country) it let's you know why those #woke in the world see us as an existential threat and giant terrorist imperialistic mafia... Can't convince the so called "patriots" of this however... it's all due to socialism & dictators and the USA is like Dudley Do Right of the Canadian Mounties (Rocky & Bullwinkle fame )... *insert eye roll then face palm*
svedka, what you say is true, but it's the same with China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Brazil, you name it. World politics is a brutal game of 'how much of your shit can I get for how little?' I've seen it in every country I've been in. Do you really think China is worried about the ideological beliefs of the people of Ghana? No way. They want whatever it is Ghana can give them. Ghana, in return, wants as much as they can get from China, with the least cost and most benefit to themselves. ALL of them close their eyes to ideological/political differences if there is a big enough benefit for them. The bitter irony is that countries that don't play that game suffer for it, and many eventually languish and die. The way to defeat petro-dollars is to render gasoline obsolete. But it's unlikely that we'll have time to do that, since climate change and overpopulation are racing to see which one will kill us first. Mark Graham's song sums it all up perfectly.
Iran's clearly on the war path, the question is what is the best way to disabuse them of the notion that they get to harass shipping through Hormuz without an actual war.
Iran didn't break the deal, WE did with the same fear based propaganda of weapons of mass destruction that got us into the bogus overthrow of Hussain and the miserable senseless war that it turned out to be. Do you really think Iranians are dumb enough to purposely incite war with the USA? They simple want to be a sovereign country not a puppet of another like we are of S.A. and Israel. USA is the one on the war path that is obvious... Also that drone that we bragged about shooting down wasn't Iranian according to them, could have been one of our own. If it happened at all.