Wake Up America!

Discussion in 'General' started by Superjoint, Sep 27, 2006.

  1. I have a question for our American readers:
    If I turned up at your house and put a bug in your telephone handset and then told you that I might have done and that it would enable me to listen to every single phone call that you ever made again, would you still be sat there on your lazy behind watching the TV and paying no attention to the rest of the world that has, contrary to popular belief, continued to exist around you or would you get up and try to kick my ass?
    Ladies and gentlemen of the nation formerly known as the "Land Of The Free", it is time to put down the remote control and the twinkies for just a moment and pay attention.
    Your President is already in your house. The only difference between my scenario and the real one is that he will not be threatening or even warning you, he is just going to do it anyway and MAYBE, IF HE FEELS INCLINED, he will tell the judiciary before, during or after he has done it...
    But I doubt it!
    Just because the law is getting changed, it doesn't suddenly make flagrant destruction of the Constitution something that a president would like to announce his involvement in.
    America, you are supposed to be the fledgling nation that lights the way for us all. A perfect demonstration of people who understand their rights and, more importantly, understand the value of them.
    Yes, many people will go down the usual cynical route telling me that it was all a lie and America was never all it was advertised to be, but I have spent a fair amount of time in the US (unlike most Americans who average 4 states in the course of their lifetime, I have visited over half, 26 to be exact, of the 50 mainland states AND Hawaii too) and I have news for you...
    You have an amazing country, you have sme of the finest people in the world and you are our only hope!
    If the good people that I met during my various treks across the US cannot stand up for the rights that they have lived and died by for over the last 230 years, then there is no hope.
    But I do not believe that all hope is lost. America, you are the children of the world. Your enthusiasm for life knows no bounds. Your desire to be protected by your Constitution and NOT by your government makes you special. Your zest for truth and justice (the American way?!) through a series of guaranteed rights and, more importantly, the responsibility that the Founding Fathers and every subsequent generation since them have sworn to uphold makes you the epitome of democracy.
    Yes, we have seen Bush swearing to uphold the Constitution with his hand on the Bible that he claims to believe in and, yes, we know that he was lying. But that does not mean that you should follow his example.
    Every American has a duty. A duty to those that fought to take back your nation, those who fought to ensure that you had the opportunity to build and enjoy the freedom that you now take for granted and are gradually losing sight of and a duty to those that have continued to fight to protect you from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
    You have a duty to all those who have refused to sit down and pipe down when their government got a little too close to forgetting who works for who. A duty to all of the people that spent their life fighting to keep the rights that were supposed to be inalienably yours.
    Well, those duties are not being performed. If the Bush administration passes this law, a law that totally destroys the 4th Amendment and any rights that you may have enjoyed because of it, don't think that you will EVER be allowed take it back. It just doesn't work like that. Once this is passed into law none of the subsequent corporate, elite-club, Skull and Bonesman (or woman in Hilary's case!) presidents are going to strike it from the record after so much money was spent and so much time invested into ensuring that it was passed in the first place.
    The 4th Amendment clearly and categorically states that no person shall EVER be searched in any manner without the necessary probable cause being demonstrated to a judge to ensure that the power of the executive or the law itself is not being abused. This new law guarantees the absolute polar opposite.
    As usual, your mainstream media has betrayed you with their smoke and mirrors, so transfixed are you on the pointless gamesmanship of the charade that nobody seems to have noticed the really important stuff.
    Yes, everybody in the US is aware that Bush wants to make something that is illegal, legal. Yes, everybody in the US is aware that Bush has been breaking the law for over 5 years and is now going to absolve himself of that guilt by making those actions legal. Yes, everybody in the US is aware that this law means that they could be watching you, listening to you, cataloguing you anytime, anyplace, anywhere.
    But there is a much darker and more insidious issue here that has been largely ignored.
    Amongst other nasty little catches, clauses and amendments, Bush has managed to attach one such amendment that ALLOWS him to submit his wiretapping program to a National Security Agency secret court for constitutional review...
    But it does not REQUIRE him to.
    So, if the wiretapping gets a little out of hand, which is not so hard to imagine given the constant stream of occasions in which this administration has gotten out of hand, Bush OR ANY SUBSEQUENT PRESIDENT will not have to hand ANY of the program over to the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY for review.
    Even if you think that Bush is a good, trustworthy President, an incredible thought but there are some that do, this law will still exist when the next president takes office, and the next, and the next. Even if you believe in Bush what guarantee do you have that you won't be fooled into voting for a maniac sometime on the future?
    Do you think that the people of Germany voted for Hitler because they thought that he would catalogue them, issue a National ID Card, take away their guns and then murder anybody that he deemed "unsuitable"? Of course they didn't and for this very reason you should be very afraid of leaving this legislation just lying around to be used by another President who may not be so "trustworthy".
    Ask yourself two VERY simple questions:
    1. You are told that this bill is necessary for the NATIONAL SECURITY of the United States of America. If that is the case, why are the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY not guaranteed oversight and review?
    2. If the National Security Agency are not going to be receiving reports on the wiretapping program that Bush claims is essential for National Security, then who IS going to be receiving them or are we to assume that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice will be reviewing the program themselves?
    And whilst you consider those questions, do remember that America currently has 140,000 servicemen and women fighting in the Middle East to ensure that your rights and freedoms are protected. They are fighting and giving their lives for the very rights that you are allowing your government to take away in their absence.
    One more question:
    Do you think that the Bush administration would have the cheek or the balls to do this if those 140,000 servicemen and women were back from the Middle East or do you think that they would be scared that these highly trained warriors might just question their actions and even be prepared to take their country back suppoerted in full by almost every retiring senior military officer since the War in Iraq began?
    Kinda makes you wonder why your military is still fighting a war that they can never win in a country that was NEVER a threat, doesn't it?
    The future of your nation lies in YOUR hands. You cannot stand by and wait for somebody else to stand up so that you can follow them, you must stand up for yourself and others will follow you.
    WAKE UP AMERICA!
     
  2. As an American, who has seen the other side of the world, (IE after high school I did serve in the US Army, and did serve a tour of duty in Iraq). I refuse to have my rights taken away completly. Granted I am no longer a part of the armed services, I still find it necessary to fight for the rights and beliefs that america is built upon. I love this country, in my oppinion it has the potential to be the greatest country in the world, with the fundemental rights and beliefs of freedom, that can be given to all its people. I WILL NOT let the those rights be stripped by a warmongering, ape like moron. If bush's self serving ways are whats important to him than so be it. But I will not stand for such a frivolous violation of my rights, that I fought for to protect. I will DIE before I give in to that sort of thing. Hopefully one day I will have children, but I pray that they will never hanvethe rights violated by agovernment that doesnt care about its own people, rather just the motives of one old man. SUPPORT OUR PEOPLE I implore you, protect our rights. I completly agreewith you super joint, the country has become to lax in its beliefs andprotecting them
     
  3. sj, you bring this up like its new. Yes i'd say most americans know this, but what can we do? even if 48 states voted against the patriot act or something to that effect, the good ole gov would have there way anyway. As american we no longer have a society, based on the principle that, if we dont like something we can change it. If I went downtown and started handing out flyers that said the truth, and not government bull shit, i'd either be dead, or have the fbi at my house trying to convince me that i'm a terrorist. We are not free and neverwill be again, this country is going right down the drain. we are not free! Once college is over, i'm gone fuck this place, and fuck everyone trying to suppress us
     
  4. :(... It's this line of thinking that gets me worried when ppl think that they have to accept the way things are. You can change things, make a difference, and this country is still that way...Even the littliest guy can change everything seriously. Ppl need to wake up to this reality that their opinions do matter and when our concerns are voiced, they will be heard...U can't just say 'oh my vote doesn't matter' 'oh I can't change things' 'what can I do'. There is so much you can do. You have to fight for what u want though...It won't just happen on it's own...Freedom is not real anyways, but what is real is laws, civil rights, liberties...
     
  5. Superjoint, You're more American than any American I've ever met.

    Guess that's because I live in America. Thank's for this awesome thread.
     

  6. peopel at grasscity , I must elaborate, that this piece is not of my hand, just thought it was an intresting read, like i post more of those, when i stumble upon tem surfing te net, I found this article reading it on digg.com , just everybody knows, sorry, should have copied the orginal author of it.

    SJ
     
  7. Man, I just heard this at work and I think it applies here:

    "Best is the enemy of better"
    We cannot let the fact that although issues may not be resolved during our lifetimes- that we can still make things better than what they were.

    I myself fall into thinking about things and if I can't get them perfect I won't do it/or will put off doing it.

    Lean- continuous improvement, little by little we could turn things around.




    We need a plan.​
     
  8. think bout this shit

    Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they've told you what you think it is you want to hear.
    Alan Coren

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government
    Alexander Tytler

    They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety.
    Benjamin Franklin

    A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
    Edward Abbey

    Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
    John Adams

    A democratic despotism is like a theocracy: it assumes its own correctness.
    Walter Bagehot
     
  9. We all eat McDonalds and ride around on hoverrounds.

    and have leash laws
     
  10. But if you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't be afraid. Do you all love the terrorists? If we don't listen to people's phones, arrest people and not tell the what for or for how long, create secret prisons, torture suspected terrorists, or stop the tyranny of Saddam by taking over a country then the terrorists will win. If they win then they will take away your rights. Freedom isn't being free.
     
  11. :eek:
     
  12. I almost took ur post seriously, but it was ruined by fat jokes.
     
  13. That's actually the first excuse that is brought up on the argument of wire tapping for those on the president's side.

    "Well you know.. That these wire taps have prevented two whole terrorist attacks you know? Right?"

    I'm sure, in fact I know my phone is tapped. It was tapped when the feds came and took my computer and said I was a 'threat' to national security for ordering marijuana from Canada.

    Take into effect, I do not want want these cretins listening in on the lines when I'm trying to talk dirty to a phone sex hotline... But thats just me.
     

  14. Exactly the mentality of the population of Germany right before hitler started invading other countries and killing jews.

    Only terrorists would want privacy right?

    "He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither" - Benjamin Franklin
     

  15. My post was satire. I know America is ocean deep in hypocrisy, intolerance, and idoicy. I am a very private person so even if I didn't "do" the demon weed I would still, very much hate wire taps. And that Ben Franklin quote is a favorite of mine.
     
  16. Yeah, I thought so, it was pretty good satire, and I was hammered then, it's all good Y and S...
     
  17. If it comes to that I have decided I am going to cancel my phone service. I know its not their fault that we may have warrentless wire taps and such but they have atleast some role in it by not protecting us consumers.

    I pay a monthly service to talk to whoever I want and talk to them about anything I want. Not live in fear that someone might be listening.

    Even if people just dumped there cellphones the phone companies would have to push back.








    Fuck this goverment. They're all scheming bastards.
     

  18. Tis all good sir :).

    The gov't is already doing these warrantless wiretaps. It's not a case of if but of " Hey seriously wake the fuck up everyone"
     

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