Vinyl Making a Comeback?

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  1. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1702369,00.html


    From college dorm rooms to high school sleepovers, an all-but-extinct music medium has been showing up lately. And we don't mean CDs. Vinyl records, especially the full-length LPs that helped define the golden era of rock in the 1960s and '70s, are suddenly cool again. Some of the new fans are baby boomers nostalgic for their youth. But to the surprise and delight of music executives, increasing numbers of the iPod generation are also purchasing turntables (or dusting off Dad's), buying long-playing vinyl records and giving them a spin.
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    Like the comeback of Puma sneakers or vintage T shirts, vinyl's resurgence has benefited from its retro-rock aura. Many young listeners discovered LPs after they rifled through their parents' collections looking for oldies and found that they liked the warmer sound quality of records, the more elaborate album covers and liner notes that come with them, and the experience of putting one on and sharing it with friends, as opposed to plugging in some earbuds and listening alone. "Bad sound on an iPod has had an impact on a lot of people going back to vinyl," says David MacRunnel, a 15-year-old high school sophomore from Creve Coeur, Mo., who owns more than 1,000 records.


    The music industry, hoping to find another revenue source that doesn't easily lend itself to illegal downloads, has happily jumped on the bandwagon. Contemporary artists like the Killers and Ryan Adams have begun issuing their new releases on vinyl in addition to the CD and MP3 formats. As an extra lure, many labels are including coupons for free audio downloads with their vinyl albums so that Generation Y music fans can get the best of both worlds: high-quality sound at home and iPod portability for the road. Also, vinyl's different shapes (hearts, triangles) and eye-catching designs (bright colors, sparkles) are created to appeal to a younger audience. While new records sell for about $14, used LPs go for as little as a penny--perfect for a teenager's budget--or as much as $2,400 for a collectible, autographed copy of Beck's Steve Threw Up.


    Vinyl records are just a small scratch on the surface when it comes to total album sales--only about 0.2%, compared to 10% for digital downloads and 89.7% for CDs, according to Nielsen SoundScan--but these numbers may underrepresent the vinyl trend since they don't always include sales at smaller indie shops where vinyl does best. Still, 990,000 vinyl albums were sold in 2007, up 15.4% from the 858,000 units bought in 2006. Mike Dreese, CEO of Newbury Comics, a New England chain of independent music retailers that sells LPs and CDs, says his vinyl sales were up 37% last year, and Patrick Amory, general manager of indie label Matador Records, whose artists include Cat Power and the New Pornographers, claims, "We can't keep up with the demand."
    Big players are starting to take notice too. "It's not a significant part of our business, but there is enough there for me to take someone and have half their time devoted to making vinyl a real business," says John Esposito, president and CEO of WEA Corp., the U.S. distribution company of Warner Music Group, which posted a 30% increase in LP sales last year. In October, Amazon.com introduced a vinyl-only store and increased its selection to 150,000 titles across 20 genres. Its biggest sellers? Alternative rock, followed by classic rock albums. "I'm not saying vinyl will become a mainstream format, just like gourmet eating is not going to take over from McDonald's," says Michael Fremer, senior contributing editor at Stereophile. "But there is a growing group of people who are going back to a high-resolution format." Here are some of the reasons they're doing it and why you might want to consider it:
    Sound quality LPs generally exhibit a warmer, more nuanced sound than CDs and digital downloads. MP3 files tend to produce tinnier notes, especially if compressed into a lower-resolution format that pares down the sonic information. "Most things sound better on vinyl, even with the crackles and pops and hisses," says MacRunnel, the young Missouri record collector.


    Album extras Large album covers with imaginative graphics, pullout photos (some even have full-size posters tucked in the sleeve) and liner notes are a big draw for young fans. "Alternative rock used to have 16-page booklets and album sleeves, but with iTunes there isn't anything collectible to show I own a piece of this artist," says Dreese of Newbury Comics. In a nod to modern technology, albums known as picture discs come with an image of the band or artist printed on the vinyl. "People who are used to CDs see the artwork and the colored vinyl, and they think it's really cool," says Jordan Yates, 15, a Nashville-based vinyl enthusiast. Some LP releases even come with bonus tracks not on the CD version, giving customers added value.
    Social experience Crowding around a record player to listen to a new album with friends, discussing the foldout photos, even getting up to flip over a record makes vinyl a more socially interactive way to enjoy music. "As far as a communal experience, like with family and friends, it feels better to listen to vinyl," says Jason Bini, 24, a recent graduate of Fordham University. "It's definitely more social."
     
  2. nice and interesting article, I love vinyl but unfortunatly i dont think it will ever "come back". It will be something different and cool you buy from an artist you really like, like t shirts and posters.
     
  3. If train watching is a sport, then I'd be in top physical shape. :)
    There is nothing like watching a Dj spin in front of over a 3 thousand people and work the tables like a pro.
     
  4. I put this here because of an article I read in the Milwaukee Sentinal.

    Apparently, top record companies want to package LPs with album art and things to try and circumvent illegal downloading. It's not a bad idea at all, IMHO.
     
  5. no way, do you know how many records are sold these days compared to in the age of vinyl? a very small amount...
     
  6. Nice article, but it will never become huge again for a couple reasons.

    1) The music. So The Killers jumped aboard and went vinyl. So what? A big percentage of the industry needs to jump on the trend in order for any type of revival to occur. Putting in a vinyl of "Led Zeppelin II" would have been magical in the 70s, but now it'd just be outdated.

    2) We already have CDs...AND NOBODY BUYS THEM. It is a digital world these days and downloading music is the weapon of choice. Sure, "hip" people will buy vinyls but the mass audience will just download the shit right off the internet.

    I just don't see the trend extending beyond those college dorm rooms...
     
  7. i love vinyl i have over 500. But i mean if they come back no one wll buy then they ill shoot up the prices for now i rather just go buy them at good will for 25 cents.. i bought 3 doors 1 jimmy henndrix and 1 zeppelin for like 1.34 cents
     
  8. I don't think vinyl will make much of a comeback at all. If you think about it, is is a very inferior, and volnurable, medium. However the form factor of the LP is great. Now imagine if record labels got some brains, and released DRM free collectors albums on DVD. The DVD itself would include high quality .wav files, including med quality (196bps) mp3s _and_ mp4 encoded music videos. And packaged it like a LP. That is big cover, booklet, poster, the works.

    I think it would sell like lemonade on a hot day.

    Todays DRM riddled CD is just an impersonal piece of plastic. You get no relationship to it, which is why I think most don't think twice before downloading from a P2P network rather than pay for the music.

    We did have piracy before P2P networks too. People recorded on to casette from friends or radio. Sure it wasn't as easy, and not on demand, but still.

    Persoanlly I haven't bought a CD for maybe 12-13 years. Downloading is easier, more impulsive and I don't risk paying for crap. On the other hand, I do go to a lot of concerts. Not that I pay for that either normally, being a lights-tech and working the business do lead to certain perks.

    But as I see it, recorded music will soon be more or less public-domain from the release. The revenue will, no, must, come from three streams:

    1: Collectors items (like the DVD idea I outlined)
    2: Royalties, for use of the music in commercial endevaurs, from Radio to excertps used in commercials, movies, television and such.
    3: Playing Live/Touring and associated paraphenilia sales (T-Shirts, posters etc)

    So in essence we are back to the time before the recording industry grew to a monster and monopolized music. Personally I look upon that as progress, it democracizes music, and musicians won't be a slave to a recording/distribution cartel.
     
  9. That article just makes me despise this new trend of being "retro" for the sake of coolness even more.
     
  10. what he said.

    Although, recording and putting your own music on vinyl now thats good stuff.
     
  11. i remember the first time i listened to a vinyl record i put on my friends doors album. . .

    the sound was so warm and real. .
    too bad they cant recreate that digitally
     
  12. Vinyl never died for anyone who is interested in Sampling.
     
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  13. I can't emphasize the extent of truth in this statment.

    And it's also nice to listen to albums like Mothership Connection, On the Corner, and Talking Book on vinyl too.
     
  14. If you aren't in it for the sake of fashion and shit, buy a decent turntable, preamp and speakers from a reputable source..

    Music Direct


    This one is about 400 and its one of the cheaper ones.

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    Until then, I'm stuck with my cheap ass Aiwa PX-E860
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  15. The sound on vinyl is soo much better than CDs, and even more so than MP3s. It's warmer and it just sounds that much better. For MP3s the waves are so compacted that the low's sound higher and the high's sound lower, giving you a pretty flat sound.

    But vinyl won't make a comeback, I think it's a novelty thing. My father has over what must be 500 vinyl jazz and blues albums and they're extremely awesome to listen to.
     
  16. Vinyl sounds beautiful but it will never make a comeback and the whole retro-cool shit that people pull is annoying. Look at all these bitches calling themselves a DJ these days and all you see is CDJs :mad: Vinyl will never make a comeback but it also will never die (I hope) as long as there are people that appreciate the true, rich sound of music. Plus vinyl has all that nostalgia for some people.
     
  17. I beg to differ.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/sep/16/musicindustry.vinyl



    The future of music is vinyl

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    \t \t \t\t\t\t\tVinyl is back. We've heard about it for the last couple years, and the Wall Street Journal is now the latest to run with the news that vinyl record sales doubled in 2007, flying in the face of the CD market's global decline. Labels are scrambling to release their new albums on vinyl, and Amazon.com's vinyl store now stocks 250,000 titles. This is more than just a passing fad. Vinyl's resurgence signals a sea change in the way music is being marketed and objectified.
    Smaller, more agile record labels have lower overhead and sales, but also much more to lose, comparatively, from CD sales drying up. Influential indie labels like Sub Pop and Matador have helped spawn the vinyl trend by packaging MP3 download codes with vinyl LPs, thus allowing digital portability while still providing physical copies of their records in a more durable format than the CD. Labels like these also deal in intentional scarcity and elaborate packaging, helping to blur the line between LP and limited-edition art object.
    There's money to be made in catering to a group of consumers that wants unique, non-disposable objects with collectible value and cachet, and it isn't limited to records. The American Poster Institute's Flatstock convention is now a global institution, with hundreds of artists selling expensive silk-screened concert posters, their customers fuelled by the same impulse that compels them to seek out hard-to-find vinyl.
    Increasingly, larger labels sign artists to so-called "360 deals", by which they get a cut of merchandise sales and concert revenue as well. Majors seem to be jumping on the vinyl bandwagon not just for its own sake, but to help spur sales of posters and T-shirts and the rest of the promotional tchotchkes that get packaged into deluxe vinyl box sets. Their bands are becoming brands.
    And while vinyl will never replace CDs, ringtones and downloads in terms of pure margin and profitability, it turns disposable major-label music into something tangible, scarce and collectible. It creates revenue streams that didn't exist five years ago. Even bands without 360 deals are being marketed aggressively. Warner Bros Records released Metallica's new album Death Magnetic in a half-dozen formats, including a five-LP version and a box set packaged in a miniature cardboard coffin.
    While people have bemoaned the price of CDs for years, vinyl buyers rarely complain about how much records cost, even though they're usually more expensive. The people purchasing the $125 Metallica box set are happy to do it. There's something much more experiential and tactile about vinyl, with its extra weight, bigger format and larger art.
    And the good PR of throwing digital downloads in there is a huge added bonus as far as Warner Bros and its ilk are concerned. The Recording Industry Association of America may still be strong-arming grandmas and suing college kids, but it's in its member labels' best interest to be perceived as putting their consumers first. Releasing a record in multiple formats and deluxe versions makes major labels look less like the bad guys and more like proactive entities that listen to their fans, even though their bottom line is the same: make money by any means necessary.
     
  18. K in your world vinyl selling more means it's making a comeback, but to me it's not. I could care less if some nerdy college kids are buying more vinyl. When it comes to edm events and the DJs there, everyone is going to CDJs and it's gay. You can argue that vinyl sales are going up so that means it's not dieing but who gives a fuck if the art of beatmatching and turntablism are dieing. If I pay to see a DJ spin I want to see them spin, not insert a CD and press a button. Take away their precious cdjs and a lot of these "top" djs fall. Look at Paul Jokenfold, he gets back on vinyl these days and trainwrecks 7 times in a 1 hour 30 minute set :hello: Real DJs spin vinyl.
     
  19. Man, I listen to old vinyl records everyday.

    I'm not really into this DJ shit or whatever, I just like the sound of a vinyl vs. digital. Not to mention I have a vintage Pioneer stereo system with all the bells and whistles... and it sounds HOT.

    I think another great feature of LPs is the packaging. I still have an original copy of Dark Side of the Moon with the stickers and posters inside. (got to get around to framing those one of these days...) I dunno, I think vinyl albums are just a great collectors item.
     

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