Hi guys, I just finished building my third ad hock vaporizer bong. I've never vaped before and wanted to try it but didn't feel like buying a vape just to see if it was worth it(too many different brands and too many different features). I decided I'd build me one and so I did. The first one used nichrome in plaster and it worked well but the heating was uneven and some weed would not burn while other parts would combust depending where it was. I did get some very good hits though, I think, as it was a different high than the bong. I was used to a very ashy hit with bongs but these were clean, but there was smoke, except for some reason at a certain voltage(I was using a auto transformer to set the temp and a laser temp sensor to determine the temperatures) I'd also get a very piney flavor which was very nice. It sorta smelled like normal weed but more natural and sweet. It reminded me of tree sap to some degree but better(as it wasn't too strong). I looked up the chems and I saw that this was probably pinene which vaporizes around 315F. The highs were nice and uplifting rather than zombified(a true stoner feeling, I've learned to get stuff done but it's more of a drag because of the head fog it produces) that I get from bongs usually. Of course, because of this and realizing what it is probably doing to my lungs after 3 years of heavy smoking I figured I better find a new way. Also, I've tried edibles but don't work well, I have to eat a lot just to feel it. In my ignorance, I didn't think vaping would offer that much, boy do I seem to be wrong! It seems vaping is where it is at to dial in one's preferred high, at least as best as the plant can offer(Maybe it is all just in the control?). After playing around with the different temps(Since I had a continuous voltage control I could try many different temps, nothing scientific nor controlled but it did give me a wide variety of highs(Of course, I'd love to really do it it in a scientifically control way just to see the full spectrum of marijuana bliss, but that is a different story) and let me experience a much bigger spectrum than bongs and joints, both of which generally offer just as many cons as the pros. I was ready to build my second mold but I really wasn't getting long with the nichome wire. I ripped it from a hairdryer and it just wouldn't conform in to anything electrically meaningful and I didn't have the tools to force it. I then remembered I had a hot air gun on my soldering station and figured I could use that and it would be much easier. It has a variable temp from 100C to over 500C and would let me gently roast my weed to outright nuke it in to oblivion. I built the mold, it is a little nicer in some ways but it was a different design, the first mold was more like a funnel shape, a typical glass bowl looking thing about 4 times larger and made out of plaster ;/. This one was two truncated cones that I was able to make by using some shot glasses as a mold. I just happened to have 6 large ones and 1 small one. I could insert one in to the other and hold it in place while the plaster dried around it and get the desired thickness(except due to geometric laws the bottom would get thicker as the inner cup was withdrawn). In any case, they came out nice and "professional" as much as one can get with DIY tools and plaster. used one cup for the base and put a platform on it that I was able to make using the extra cups. Drilling a hole and putting in a screen allows the weed to sit on it well. The problem with this rig is that the hot air gun was nuking the weed. It would blow it all over the plays, which was on the sides and the weed would then be out of the range of fire. Weed directly on the screen would be sucked down on to it by the distillation process(me sucking on the bong) and then combust because that is were all the hot air was going. It seemed that there was a sweet hot spot that was the hottest in the chamber due to the air flow and such. I even built a shield to try and distribute the air in a wider and more chaotic path so it might change it's behavior... well, it didn't. In any case, this little rig probably gave me the greatest high in my life! Pure Utopia! It was all up and no down! None of the sag in the bag! I'm not quite sure how, why, or what because I wasn't planning on it happening so I did not take notes. I also do not know what other factors good have played. I'll I can say is that it felt like 10 years of rust was washed off instantly(this happened about 10m, I guess, after I smoked). It might have been 90% psychologically induced in that I got a great high from vaping and just that it was the boss like we do when we get high. But the rig wasn't cutting it, I figured I could do better! The third times the charm, as they say, and this time was no different. What I needed was a controlled and narrow path of the hot air from the gun to travel so that it must tesseract the weed so there can be no escape, even temperatures, no way out(except up), and all the astral goodness must flow in to me. I accomplished uniquely, which I leave to the margins, it is a much more interesting build process, but what it essentially consists of is a cylinder tube with a hole cut out slightly bigger than the hot air gun, which has a diameter of about 9/16'ths of a dime. The weed will be craddled by a metal mesh screen lower down the tube. I can adjust it's distance to move it closer or further from the hot air incoming. While I should be able to simply turn down the temp(these variables would be inversely related, lower temp allows one to move the screen closer to the hot air gun for the same temp) I figured that would give me some wiggle room if I needed it(and I did!). Once the mold was built(a big more complex than the others as I wanted a weed trap to protect weed from falling in to the bong. This was accomplished with an side passage: H | |-- | B Where H is the hot air, B is the bong and the King's knight move is a trap for the weed. I figured I could add another screen to help stop any arrant particles and at least solve the problem to about 99% accuracy. I also figured if that wasn't good enough I could simply double up on meshes. Unfortunately the meshes I ran out to buy earlier must have been created by a child with tinker toy scissors but I'd make it work... somehow. Once I got the mesh in, a bit difficult since it must be eventually placed and directly down the chamber to prevent it from getting sideways leaving a huge gap for all the weed to fall to the trap... of course, that was what the trap was for! Now that I think about it I really should have added a scree on that trap door when I put the two parts together! Oh well... In any case, time to smoke, really, light up... I just did! So, where were we? Ok, so, this bong I just smoked out of I smoked out of earlier a few times when I made it. Seems to be working well, except that I put the mesh in to shallow and the H would blow all the weed out the top! I've been playing around with it trying to find the right temps. I've went from 120C to 170C on the same weed. I figured out could distill it out(you know, just like fractional distillation, but a little different in that I set the temp low, it vapes the lower boiling point components, I raise the temp to get the next components, etc). I went in steps of 5C(~18F for those that want to know) and I was surprised to get some smoke at such a low temp of 120C. It was a mildly tasting hit and there was a big puff of smoke compared to other vapes I've done at even 150C. It seems that at < around 150C All the smoke is very thin and almost a dark gray(rather than a whitish gray from bongs... but color probably depends on environment so these don't work). Anyways, I was just surprised. I think this might actually be due to the H over heating to quickly warm up the element and so actually the temperature was probably a big hotter. In any case, I worked my self up and the smoke generally builds up in lulls and also crescendos. I'm not sure why it cycles, I guess this might be do to the chemicals being vaporized at their discrete temps with the gaps between chems correlating to the gaps in "smoke". What I'm interested in knowing are the following, I hope someone can help me out: First, My goal is to get the cleaning and purest high I can given my circumstances. This first requires correct scientific principles and knowledge. These questions are about confusions of the results of some of the experiments I have carried out and my ignorance of explaining them or just about my ignorance in vaping in general. 1. The most obvious question: Is vaping better than bonging? In the context of getting high, the quality of the high, and the health effects. I thought bongs were better than joints because of the water. I was still getting huge clouds of smoke and my chest would hurt sometimes, I'd get stupified, and I'm coughing more than I've ever been. IMO, bongs are not that effective. The water does little. Maybe if it is changed after ever it it will work better but possibly the contaminants saturate the water quickly and then it becomes in effective. From what I've read about weed recently is that the temperature of combustion produces all the negative effects because all the bad components are released, probably even carbon monoxide, which may produce some of the negative effects I have experienced. Of course, with a bong, you have no choice but to burn. I've tried dabbing with homemade wax but it never worked well for me, I thought it would be an effective way since all the plant junk would have been removed, but also, of course, some of the positive components. So, I can see no downside for vaping, if it works, which it does on some level obviously, but I cannot really get consistent results, I'll explain: 2. I don't know what I'm putting in my body! With a bong and combustion, I know I'm getting it all(I guess I could eat the ash if required). I know if I vape I'm getting less of all... and that's the reason to do it... but the less should be of the bad stuff. We are told that, generally speaking, the bad components are in proportion to the temp. As the temp goes up expect the bad junk to be vaped in more and more concentration. Of course, that isn't entirely true in many requires. We know that bad chemicals can have low boiling points but maybe for weed most are past the highest chemical we actually want(THC is 415F THCV though is, I believe, 475F) I've read somewhere that vaping has no smoke and that is why most people like it. When I run my DIY vape and I get no smoke it also feels like I've got nothing! Maybe it's psychological or maybe the temp was too low? But why am I getting "visible vape"(which I'm calling smoke) at low temps(120C to 150C)? Also, I don't seem to get the tasty vapes. Sometimes I can get a little taste it's usually pretty week. a) Should I be getting any "smoke" at all(any visible sign of smoke) when vaping < 150C?). b) The piney taste I'm talking about, which I guess is "the taste"(I've tasted it before but this is the only time it tasted "good") comes from where and how to get it? c) Does heat destroy the other molecules or do they just vape when it's there time and pretty much are good to go. We know that heat is what breaks up molecules but I imagine that it's not a significant problem that I have to worry about. That is, ramping up slowly to get all the medicinal chemicals is unnecessary(but of course safer if wrong).. What is confusing is that it seems that if I burn quick(fast ramp, about a second) then I do not get the tasty hit. If I ramp up slowly I do get the taste... which sort of contradicts the above unless the taste is masked but the higher BP components. That's what I'm talking about Willis!
Your post is Hella long I stopped reading after you put you won't buy a real vape.. You know how dangerous it is trying to make your own right?? You'll end up fucking your lungs up/your health smoking via home made ghetto vapes lol Just drop a couple hundred on a vape that won't potentially kill you.
Please don't fear monger, you really have no idea what you are talking about here. There is virtually no difference in what I'm doing and your vap. In fact, mine is probably safer since I go through a bong and filter far more than most vaps. You must work for the vape companies trying to pedal their junk? You realize that 95% of stuff starts out with people experimenting and taking risks? Most inventions were done by people inventing and not being a sheep. Maybe, but as I've said, I wasn't going to buy one until I knew it was worth it, so how could I accomplish buying one before I at least knew I was going to buy one? It would be nice if the human markets were so filled with people peddling junk to make a buck. It's hard to know how what is good when there is so many bad. I looked at the V2 3 pro and it was pretty cool. I found one with a water attachment(I guess it's a think now). But in any case, I'm not the kind of person to drop a few hundred dollars just to flush it down the toilet. It's not good for my wallet, the environment, nor the economy... but I guess in this day and age of immediate self-gratification it is the norm? Thanks ICGreen, not really what I was looking for as those types of tables are all over the net, it did have a few more chemicals that I haven't seen. I'm really interested in those last questions, which I guess everyone failed to read since the post's length scared them away(again, probably due to the 5s attention spans our modern culture as evolved in to). The biggest question is: Should I see smoke when I'm vaping at a low temp? I read a few times the answer is no, but I definitely am getting smoke and that smoke is something... I'm pretty sure it's the weed and not the plaster or the hot air gun. I suppose if I had enough weed I could distill the chemicals by temperature but I imagine that would effectively give me the same info you linked to, more or less. The think is, a lot of those chemicals are just general plant chemicals, why couldn't I vape thyme to get a medicinal effect? What would be really interesting is a vape table with many different vaping substances Imagine I wanted to vape cis-2-dibromoacytlene? or plasticine??(not that I'd want too) A master database would be very useful... can anyone commune with god?
I usually vape a CO2 extract without any mixers in it. My sweet spot is about a 3.7 to 3.9 Volt. That way I do get more flavor. There is smoke, but not a lot of it.
Check out fuckcombustion.com they have a whole section on DIY stuff. As for me I would rather just buy one hah
"I don't know what I'm putting in my body! With a bong and combustion, I know I'm getting it all(I guess I could eat the ash if required). I know if I vape I'm getting less of all... and that's the reason to do it." This is a huge incorrect statement. You know EXACTLY what you're getting at every temperature while vaping. There is a chart and everything. The only thing you're getting LESS of is carcs. Combustion burns more thc and cbd's before they get to your body and add harmful chems in its place. With vaping you're getting 40% more THC and CBD's at the minimum at all times. All the stuff you said about filtering is nonsense. Filtering actually takes out minute pieces of THC. Since vape has no harmful carcs in it, you're only taking out good stuff. If anything, going through water is hindering the medicine you're receiving. "The biggest question is: Should I see smoke when I'm vaping at a low temp? I read a few times the answer is no, but I definitely am getting smoke and that smoke is something... I'm pretty sure it's the weed and not the plaster or the hot air gun." You shouldn't see smoke ever at all. You should see vapor. Lower temps = less vapor until the THC has been vaped away at which point you should be getting no vapor. If you're getting smoke then your temps are too high and you're doing it wrong. I'd advise just buying a vape before you hurt yourself. A hot air gun temp cant be controlled in the same way or used in the same safe manor. Vapes have come a very long way and work very well these days. If you'd like the names of some cheap ones that work, I'd be glad to throw some your way. "1. The most obvious question: Is vaping better than bonging? In the context of getting high, the quality of the high, and the health effects. " Scientifically, yes. Vaping is insanely better than smoking ( I assume thats what bonging is). It varies person to person if they're a smoker. Smokers get a different high from the carcs alone. This can seem like a completely different high from smoking and the addiction is hard to break. Vaping has no negative health issues to your lungs or body. You can look up the studies for this yourself. You can also put any vape through your bong to keep on... bonging.. You can hook any vape to a bong very easily. ""From what I've read about weed recently is that the temperature of combustion produces all the negative effects because all the bad components are released, probably even carbon monoxide, which may produce some of the negative effects I have experienced. Of course, with a bong, you have no choice but to burn."" If you've read about it then you should know that carbon monoxide is DEFINITELY released. That and about 400 other carcs. These carcs provide the negative experience by destroying your body from the inside out.
There are also a ton of other herbs you can vape as well. Another thing i suggest googling. Most of your information looks like its come from your own head instead of actual facts. Please be careful.
Www.vapemood.com This site has vaporizers that seem to be cheaper than other sites fast shipping too. I use the boundless cfx
Lol ez still disliking my comments because i told him his stuff was dangerous i see. The first guy must have been one of his other accounts. Hes always doing this. He made his own vape that puts water vapor into your lungs. Like drowning yourself slowly lol.
Salutations uiy uiy, Hummm... Then maybe there's still some hope remaining, how about saving yourself between 5 to 7 years! Provided you are for real... M'well that's not exactly true: on the contrary, the vast majority belongs to 1 single category emulating the Volcano/Arizer: they're all fundamentally flawed at the conceptual level because their "Release/Transport Agent" turns them all into "Hot Dry Air Ovenizers", essentially. Which is bad because it promotes "baking" and baking results in more tar & cauldron... If you're one of those in frequent need for a "T-Break" then "Micro-Bursting" may appeal to you as it opens the door to "Micro-Dosing", quite naturally, but also mythridatism - which is a way to "train" the body so it can adapt in cases of mild intolerance. Delays are an enemy of control because it invites hesitation which leads to error, instead i found it's possible to avoid delays as in slow torture machines à la Volcano/Arizer, via "Packetization" of the "Cheat Charge", which in turn allows suitable matching between the heat source and its workload. In addition, if you're after portability as well then a rational energy budget would be in order while too many lazy/flawed designs promote its wasting. A "full spectrum" method of aroma/taste appreciation is presently facing boycott on multiple similar forums including FuckCombustion/VaporAsylum - and there are importers with multiple identities right here, with their fanboys, etc. I've registered on FC in 2010 and i can tell you if VaporAsylum is the same then just remember it's a multi-level game where you get instrumentalized, to serve the purposes of installed gurus, etc., etc. For example, to obstruct the topic such guys will consistently complain my 3-parts KISS solution feels too complicated and confusing, even deadly, whatever... "Micro-Bursting" gives access to a full rainbow, leaving relatively non-baked ABV behind - which is essential if you need a 20 mg toke to offer any appreciative features... Anyone can get aroma/taste from a wasteful 300 mg bowl, it can be trickier using a "1-Hitter" and a minuscule ~ 125 mg bowl. You may want to read about "pulse heating" and "explosive vaporization" reducing the amount of recombined compounds from secondary reactions. In short just aim for nothing less than the "Shortest Path of Least Transformation"!! Too bad external interference will scramble your chances quick. Science is based on independant replication and peer reviews, ask yourself why my LAVA chalenge has been rejected for years then start wondering how you'll perform under similar toxic conditions where instant experts pop out with their fanclub to attack something they can never possibly have touched... So if you're after science then FC definitely ain't the place to go and i bet VaporAsylum is even worse (those 2 forums share a same sickening history). Talking of FC be informed that its domain registrar is set to reject update requests while its expiration date shall occur on October 26: the administrator is "Missing in Action" but nobody really knows. That's less than 3 months left, you won't manage in good time. Do you distinguish between vaping and vaporizing, 'cause i do. Actually i've been forced to develop my own solution and now it covers the full range, plus it made me "FREE", as in LIBERTY: no more tolerance worries. But YMMV i guess, abuse remains an option though the consumption method clearly promotes healthier ways. In the good old days the 1st medical respiratory devices included water, probably because human lungs require a given level of moisture to function, if i'm not mistaking... Although i've attempted radical ways to add water the only 1 source which suits my own physiological needs is INLET WATER and for this i only got a customized VaporGenie pipe transforming clean-burning butane into super-hot H2O and CO2, plus 15 ~ 30 ppm of comet dust... Believe me there's no cheating, at least for me: the pipe is self-sufficient and it won't crack if i drop it. Etc. The "Punch-in-the-Face" effect used to be one of the hints instructing me that my Hybrid Core once needed to store a lesser "Heat Charge", or else i was better sit before i inhale. "Micro-Dosage" opens the door to a simple remedy, thanks to Induction Heat combined to the Curie effect. Too bad Inlet Water inclusion is a remote dream, thanks to FC people following me around. Although i don't add any water i do insert cotton in the path to catch coarse particles. This method has a bright side but it's generally geared to serve self-vilifying users (talking apes) looking for their "ultimate" form of abuse, so they can hurt our public image even further on YouTube. The purest delivery at the lowest possible cost is when filtering occurs at the site of genesis on a molecular basis, accumulating the goodies in trichome glands easy and convenient to harvest. What i suggest to avoid is baking of its associated vegetal substrate because it carries all sorts of contaminants - which became a concern when CBD oil extracted from hemp made the news a couple years ago, as i recall. Catch a few sunrays to enhance your visual feedback as this may prove beneficial, in terms of satisfaction but also of hesitations leading to rafale caughing, etc. The less you bake the more that leaves to your appreciation. Delicate fragrances are quikly destroyed if those don't become airborne early enough to leave intact via the cannabic stream, which is where "Micro-Bursting" can buy you an edge that nobody has competence to comment except me. Because small talk trying to ignore a replicate/peer review challenge is all trolls depend on to stay happy. My experience differs as a result of my consumption method and the fact that it works best with extra-crisp flowers - while the fanfare claims 60 % RH is best, supposedly. Yet in real life such soft cannabic load kills my session, practically speaking. Which tells you how much my DIY "LAVA concept" departs from a ready-made market which fails to include EVERYONE. Good day, have fun!!
Dear Rezerg, Only guys just like you will open multiple accounts. Now please don't touch yourself inside your pants while thinking of me... Good day, have fun!!
Lmao this guy has disagreed with 109 of my comments ..... today alone. Hes a little butt hurt. Please do not listen to him. All it will get you is wrong information or worse, dead. He has been told this on many forums but continues to provide half truths and wrong info all together. He hssnt graduated highschool yet so keep that in mind. As for you EZ. Youre going to be banned soon. Have fun with that. Your other accounts as well.
Misinformation item #1: Actually the prototyping platform pipe ain't mine at all; according to patent US 7434584 B2 it belongs to this man clearly identified below: Dan Steinberg of VaporGenie LLC No more "Hot Dry Air Ovenizers" à la Volcano/Arizer!! Thanks a bunch Dan!! So... You see, my trust in the inventor's legally-protected intellectual property is such that i've just acquired 2 more Classic-look Aluminium VG pipes earlier this month, in prevision of the dark ages when Justin Trudeau will finally reveal what "Légaleezation" really involved, next October 17th on canuck land: E. G. Cultural Genocide - But i'm ready to bet you don't like it when i dare pouring some political seasoning as this to define the context, right?... Anyway i'm afraid it is HIS concept and reputation which you are attacking repetitively here, quite openly and beyond the threshold of difammation. All i done was to implement HIS long forgotten Fig. 11/12 item (#36) of 2002, nonetheless: My contribution was to split item #36 (a Silicon Carbide cylinder) as halves in order to trap HIS hypothetical metal disc in between. In other words Inlet Water was already present in 2002, long before i discovered vaporism in 2010!... Yet i do revendicate the creation of a LAVA concept to add support for electro-magnetic Induction Heat of top of clean-burning butane (his patent failed to cover IH empowering). In any case "Bi-Energy" still belongs to VaporGenie if the company so wishes, without VaporGenie there just can be no LAVA capsule unless it's IH-driven ONLY and butane is excluded. E.G. NO WATER in IH-driven mode, which corresponds to the energy injection mode i'm responsible for... Briefly put i simply adjusted the path and so on, etc, but if it's deadly then there should have been victims since 2002 - not to mention i should be dead myself if we consider i evaluated "Plan-B" with increasing success since 2013... As for the dangerous water it's proportional to butane transformed by a clean flame into H2O + CO2 and it turns out "Micro-Bursting" now allows me to aim for an absolute minimum not even accessible to the owners of a genuine VG Classic pipe. But i forget you never touched such refined KISS technology anyway. If ridicule could kill you'd have been dead many times, but that's fine. Because i come to conclude it's not what you post which says the most, no: it's the background silence i find most informative. Now i think i've wasted enough time & energy to please your peculiar agenda, no need to continue much further, it's all the same and i trust human intelligence a tiny bit more than you do, obviously. Good day, have fun!!
lol every time this guy tries to make himself look better by copying someone elses work because his own wouldve killed someone.
Salutations Norml56, IMHO this severely confused individual ignores when to express apologies while Chunk believes *I* am the one performing harassment... Good day, have fun!!