Total noob question

Discussion in 'First Time Marijuana Growers' started by Ganoo, Mar 29, 2012.

  1. You don't even really need nutes till like 2 weeks in anyways.

    might aswell wait and run them with reg PH water. and get some GH or Foxfarm nutes when you can.
     
  2. Croox is spot on. No feeding the young, fragile babies.
     
  3. Ok, but if you look at my journal in my sig, it's been a bit more than 2 weeks since I began.

    Mainly I am asking because the leaf tips are yellowing and figured they were getting hungry being in a hempy setup.
     
  4. Yellowing leafs sounds like the start of over watering..but just guessing without pics n more info..
     
  5. My bee, I didn't notice that. Ergo, I agree with the possible overwatering though. Can you post pics?
     
  6. I think a better lights and less watering. Cfl's just don't cut it man and don't get me wrong I've used them.

    Also after looking at your setup i noticed how far your lights are, Put them down close put your hand under the light above the leafs pull the light away and feel for the heat to go away and then thats most likely a good place. you don't want your little seedlings stretching.
     
  7. [quote name='"croox69"']I think a better lights and less watering. Cfl's just don't cut it man and don't get me wrong I've used them.

    Also after looking at your setup i noticed how far your lights are, Put them down close put your hand under the light above the leafs pull the light away and feel for the heat to go away and then thats most likely a good place. you don't want your little seedlings stretching.[/quote]

    Umm "how far"??? They're almost right on top of them now in the larger pots, and I went with cfl solely because of the limited space available.
     
  8. Idk its hard to tell by the angle of the pics, All i'm saying is i can see by looking at the pics you have up that they are stretched out. How big is your space?
     
  9. I'm gonna be the bad guy.

    You can build a car out of cardboard, but I wouldn't expect it to get you to the closest gas station for a fill up, because cars made out of cardboard don't do too well.

    There are things that plants need to thrive, and they don't really care (and will quickly prove that to you without hesitation) about the limitations of your wallet.

    Not everyone can afford the best grow equipment or even SPACE to grow in. Hell I read a thread on another site where the guy was pissing on his plants for nitrogen and pouring in milk for calcium. Probably got the idea from all the plants we see in nature that require piss and milk to grow? I dunno where people get their ideas, sometimes...anyways, I digress.

    The bottom line is, if you can't afford to buy your child food, it will starve. If you can't afford to buy your child a nice place to live, it will grow unhappy. If you can't afford to provide for the child you brought in the world...maybe you shouldn't be raising children yet. OR - if you're just happy to have a child and don't care how it turns out, then go for it.

    Taking shortcuts will show. You can't take one and then go to the web and say "My baby isn't doing well...how do I fix it?" By not taking the shortcut, that's how you fix it. There is no other answer. Oh sure, lots of other growers might suggest there is, but if you ask the plant, it will say "please...no shortcuts"

    The no feeding fragile babies is bullshit too. The problem is most people give their babies a 10 course meal instead of pabulum and so people have just defaulted to saying NO NUTES FOR FIRST X WEEKS. 1/4 strength veg nutes (no more than say 200ppm) is fine for seedlings. Especially if you're growing in a neutral substrate that has no nutrients in it (like soil usually does).

    So don't overwater, get the lights as close as possible, and if you are using a nutrient-less growing medium, add 1/4 strength grow nutes.
     
  10. Did a little moving around to get the 4th light in there, the setup isn't perfect but it will do until I wire up the new one.

    The tub is a 50 gal tote, the dimensions are 42.75" x 22" x 18". The inside is painted white with emergency blankets taped to the sides.

    My original plan was to lst and top them to make full use of the space available. I may not have tons of money and space but I made plans and concessions in order to get up and running so I could learn while working towards what I want my grow area to become.

    While my approach may not sit well with some, it was a conscious decision on my part to slowly build up my setup at a rate I could afford, while learning and actually having it going so I can't get sidetracked and never start like always seems to happen.
     

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  11. The first pic the plant on the bottom I am debating trimming the fat yellowing leaves on the bottom. Btw, I have already started the lst process which is why they are off center in the pots.
     

  12. Ganoo, that stuff I posted wasn't a personal indictment. I apologize if it came off that way. Perhaps I didn't say it well.

    I'm doubting every grower here has the cash to build an effective indoor growing laboratory - I don't either. But a little searching will show a vast amount of bad information provided by people that have no other way of doing it. They create their own problems by either having not enough light or the wrong nutrients, or bad pH or good lord the list goes on for soooo long...and then they "solve" these problems with some sort of spit and bailing wire fix. Then they come and tell you that "Dude for realz0rs lolomfgbbq! All you have to for nitrogen is piss on them!!!!!1111eleven" My point is - that's the wrong answer - don't listen. Put your hands over your ears and scream LA LA LA LA or whatever you have to do.

    When you grow a plant, any plant, indoors, you take on a God-like responsibility; to mimic nature indoors. And that's all but impossible. We can cover light and nutrients and air in a very kludgy fashion (compared to nature), but by moving indoors, we have removed most of the plant's ability to take care of itself, and all of the balancing factors that source from outdoors are removed. (For example, if a plant has spider mites and you leave it outdoors, some environmental predators would likely love to eat them for you, but since you moved them indoors and removed the predators, now you have a spider mite explosion.)

    So if you are building slow, I'd encourage you to take it ALL slow. Get a plant to grow well and flower and finish without all the LST and additional factors so you can check that you have the basics - temp/humidity/air flow/food/light dialed in. Then add ideas one at a time and monitor for changes.

    Just my 2 cents, brother. Best of luck - I'll keep an eye out how it grows for you :)
     
  13. I just laughed out loud at your exclamations, ones, and eleven. Well done.
     
  14. Just keep on growing. You gotta start somewhere. Your first grow shouldn't be about anything but experience and learning. Until you can afford the best like OckhamsRazor said,... focus on learning more about each subject; lighting, ventilation, nutes/ferts, mediums, etc. Your first yields aren't gonna be great, just worry about keeping the plants alive and happy
     
  15. OneDayJD - You and I are better friends than maybe you know. Gamecock here - class of '87 :)
     
  16. [quote name='"BYOweed"']Just keep on growing. You gotta start somewhere. Your first grow shouldn't be about anything but experience and learning. Until you can afford the best like OckhamsRazor said,... focus on learning more about each subject; lighting, ventilation, nutes/ferts, mediums, etc. Your first yields aren't gonna be great, just worry about keeping the plants alive and happy[/quote]

    That's the plan, right now I'm just ecstatic that I'm overcoming the "brown thumb" I inherited from my mother, lol.

    As far as holding off on LST, I would love to, however the tub is a very low grow environment. I do eventually want to get a tent and hps lighting. When I do get to that point I want to try true hydro as my setup will not support it at this point.

    I ordered nutes from planetnatural.com on Friday, they just need to be mailed out. Has anyone used GH Flora series? I am getting the micro, grow, and bloom.
     
  17. I'd say 85% of the hydro people I've read have used that line. Hydro nutes should work fine in soil, but vice versa is a no-no. Don't go to bank on that - I just started into hydro, and I'm using a flood system which is a completely different set of problems than, say, aeroponics, so my information is limited. I guess I should rephrase in this edit and say "I *think* it should be ok to use hydro nutes in soil.

    I would google "Lucas Formula" were I you. There is some very special information on growing our favorite plant with those particular nutes :)
     
  18. Yeah, I've seen the Lucas formula on a thread in GC. When I was looking into what medium I wanted to use, the information on hempy buckets said to use hydro nutes. Just hate having to slap together a new piece of equipment every 2 weeks plus stay under the radar because I can't put them in my regular garden.
     
  19. I hear that, brother! I was class of '07 :eek: but I extended the typical 4-year plan by a year or two. Regardless, if you're a friend of the garnet and black, you're a friend of mine.
     
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