Time Thread

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by roy4747, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. "Time is linear"

    If the universe is everrxpanding....then it's an everexpanding mass.

    If you focus on a part of a circle, it'll be slightly curved. But if the circle grows exponentially...eventually it reach a point where that curve is just a line.....

    So that means if the universe is everexpanding circle and time is linear...that means time is actually linear because the universe is everexpanding. But the linear part is actually a circle because it's so big. Time is a circle.

    We can go bak in time

    /discuss
     
  2. There is no where to go. There is no back. What has been is gone. There is only now. Even if it were possible to somehow revisit the events of the past (a big if there of course) then it would not be the past we were visiting, but a recreation of it in the present.

    That being the case, the grandfather paradox that many have posited wouldn't exist either, because even though you might find your GF and kill him, you would not be killing your GF only a version of him, so there's nothing you can do to affect things as they are now.

    But we still can't go back.
     
  3. If the universe is everexpanding think of it as a growing circle. We're just a miniture line on the bigass circle. If the circle is that big it would take an extremely long time for time to repeat itself on the circle
     
  4. . . . and your point is?
     
  5. Imagine time as whatever shape you want; it's not an accurate representation. Time is simply a measuring tool. What does it measure?

    Change. It is neither circular nor linear - it's reactionary. Change is the interaction of 2 'forces' - whether it be the wind and someone's hair, or sticking a flag into the moon.

    Your premise doesn't work.
     
  6. My point is that if time just appears linear and is actually on a circle then we can go back or foward in time if we can move faster then the rate of time the universe is expanding
     
  7. Change isn't circular, it is not a 3D object. It just means new or repeated, whatever makes continuing work. Instead of looking at it like on a screen.. look at it like from different people's perspectives.. the other species of animals and their perspectives.. plant perspectives... bugs.. rocks.. just examine it, and notice the patterns. That is what change is.
     
  8. This sums up my view of time.
     
  9. A circle expanded the the greatest exponential power does not turn into a line, it's just an extremely large circle....
     
  10. [CHAPTER 19 - An Analysis of Time (kala) (time) – 6 verses – No real space-time limits of anything, no real space or time]
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    #1.
    If "the present" and "future" exist presupposing "the past,"
    "The present" and "future" will exist in "the past."
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    #2.
    If "the present" and "future" did not exist there [in "the past"],
    How could "the present" and "future" exist presupposing that "past?
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    #3.
    Without presupposing "the past" the two things ["the present" and "future"] cannot be proved to exist.
    Therefore neither present nor future time exist.
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    #4.
    In this way the remaining two [times] can be inverted.
    Thus one would regard "highest," "lowest" and "middle," etc., as oneness and difference. (or "after," "before" and "middle", or "right," "left" and "middle" …)
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    #5.
    A non-stationary "time" cannot be "grasped"; and a stationary "time" which can be grasped does not exist.
    How, then, can one perceive time if it is not "grasped"?
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    #6.
    Since time is dependent on a thing (bhava), how can time [exist] without a thing?
    There is not any thing which exists; how, then, will time become [something]?
     
  11. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntm1YfehK7U]Time - Pink Floyd - YouTube[/ame]
     
  12. I posted this in another thread like 10 minutes ago but it's definitely relevant here too

    time doesn't exist. clocks exist.


    try to imagine a life without timekeeping. you probably can't. you know the month, the year, the day of the week. there's a clock on your wall or the dashboard of your car. you have a schedule, a calendar, a time for dinner or a movie.

    yet all around you, timekeeping is ignored. birds are not late. a dog does not check its watch. deer do not fret over passing birthdays.

    man alone measures time.
    man alone chimes the hour.
    and, because of this, man alone suffers a paralyzing fear that no other creature endures.
    a fear of time running out.
     
  13. Very poetic :) Look up "dead reckoning" its a good example of how animals can interpret/measure time.
     
  14. The concept of time exists no matter what. Call it time or call it timekeeping. It's the same thing we created it to keep tab of shit. But the idea of past and future will always be real.
     
  15. Time is money,
    money is convenience,
    convenience is comfortable
     
  16. Nature wouldn't allow such a paradox. Unless of course you believe in parallel universes. Nature has a way of protecting itself. For example, if you were on a train going the speed of light and you ran on that train. Theoretically you would of exceeded the speed of light. But scientists suggest time would slow down inside the train thus making it still impossible to exceed light speed. Some theorists even say if you leave earth and travel at the speed of light for lets say a year. When you returned to earth you would of only aged one year. But everyone else aged by many many years. I don't know how it all works. But I've seen a shit of the show the universe.
     
  17. #17 Dylusional, Jan 30, 2013
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    Saying time only exists because of how we perceive it is like saying the universe wouldn't exist if there was no life to experience it. If a comet hits a planet and nothing is there to witness it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just like if life didn't excist there would still be a past, present and future. Just because there's no witness or memory of that comet hitting the planet it still happens, that planet was still effected by that comet. The way I see it, if there's no time there's no movement.
     
  18. Saying time only exists because of how we perceive it is like saying the universe wouldn't exist if there was no life to experience it

    As illogical as it sounds, Im starting to wonder if to a extent, this line of thinking may hold sum personal truth.
     
  19. In my opinion the only way time couldn't exist is if matter didn't exist. As long as something exists' time will as well.
     
  20. In my opinion the only way time couldn't exist is if matter didn't exist.

    the universe wouldn't exist if there was no life to experience it.

    Saying time only exists because of how we perceive it

    As long as something exists' time will as well.

    :p
     

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